What do you guys think of the newly announced Radeon 9700 and Radeon 9000/Pro?

[revvy]

Yeah, just wanted to know what all the PCstats members' opinions are on the upcoming ATI products mentioned in the Message title of this thread? Anybody see the RAPING of the highly acclaimed GF4 Ti4600 in benchmarks (and UT2003!) done in part by the R9700 in benchmarks over at Anandtech and Tomshardware?

[zogmool]

325,000,000 triangles per second... <---I felt a bit dizzy when I read that. 10,000 3dmarks with FSAA enabled... I think the 9700 looks increadible!<BR><BR>I wonder what the NV30 will be like. Right now there seems to be no reason to get a GeForce 4...

[EZDuzit]

Anybody want to buy a GF3 Ti 500?

[zogmool]

Apearantly, the 9000 isn't anywhere near as good as the 9700, though. Still just a DX8.1 card.

[EZDuzit]

Anybody hear anything about the price of the Radeon 9700?

[zogmool]

I believe it's going to be in the range of $300

[EZDuzit]

I guess we will have to wait and see. I wonder if there will be any compatibility issues with the new nforce2 boards?

[revvy]

zogmool: it's more like $399 US DOLLARS! not Canadian funds.. lol<BR>converted to Canadian funds would be close to $640 or so!

[revvy]

ahaha, nvidia would be real bastards if they intentionally made their mobo's incompatible with ATI based cards

[zogmool]

revvy, I swear I read that it was going to be around 300, but then, I can't remember where I read that... Were'd you read that?

[Max Power]

What are the canadian prices of the 9000, and 9000 pro? And Will these cards fix the problems that the RAdeon 8500 had problems with IE No shiny water, WTF???!!! BEcause nvidia made the game use there stuff.... Yeah.

[Juan]

I read that the 9000 is more like a powerful CAD card than a high performance graphics card.

[EZDuzit]

We will just have to wait and see. The 9700 is the one I want!! It should last a little while before it is yesterdays news.

[GNXtreme]

The specs do look nice, but I will stick with my GeForce4 Ti for a while.&nbsp; The wife was kinda pissed about the money I spent on this one.

[Max Power]

Whats a CAD card? IS that bad? Isin't the 9000 just a better at some stuff, worse at texture stuff, cheaper to make 8500? Cause the only card I can afford is a Radeon 9000... WHAT THE HELLIS THE CANADIAN PRICES FOR EM?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FTO]

<br><br><< <i>Cause the only card I can afford is a Radeon 9000... WHAT THE HELLIS THE CANADIAN PRICES FOR EM?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</i> >><br><br><BR><BR>I already see the card posted on a computer store's price list, ATI Radeon 9000 Pro 64M DDR, VGA, DVI, TV-O, AGP4x (retail ) $230 <BR>that is canadian price...damn...I'd hate to see the 9700's price, if the 9000 is $230

[Rio The Rhino]

<i>I will stick with my GeForce4 Ti for a while. The wife was kinda pissed about the money I spent on this one. </i><BR><BR>Damn right. I'll be keeping my Ti200 for a while too. It overclocks good, so no need for a new card right now. But, for the original question, the 9700 is a monster! Nvidia had better come up with something good or kiss the top spot in the market goodbye. Do they even still have the top spot now?

[revvy]

zogmool - I read it at AnandTech

[revvy]

right now at canadacomputers.com, they're selling Radeon 9000 Pro's for $209

[Parachute]

The Radeon 9700 looks like a winner! However, I wonder if Ati improved the AA quality, because the quality of SmoothVision kind of sucked bigtime. And I heard there is no support for Windows 95 / 98 / 98SE and NT, so that means we'll have to but XP, 2k of ME!! hahahaha =p

[Max Power]

230$ *crys* But if you order'ed it form the US.... I heard that the canadian dollor is worth 67c US so does that mean you only times the US proces by 1.33? If so that means the 9000 pro is 199$ canadian and the 9000 is only 133!!! Which would rock!<BR><BR>EDIT: And even if its worth less (which I thought it was) then the 9000 is only 159$ tops, and the pro is 239$ tops! Thats at the US prices x 1.6 which I beleave it was last march.

[asphix20]

I think the new line of radeons are very nice indeed. The only thing that really pisses me off is how they were "released" yet wont be on shelves until late august. Why not just hold out ont he release until august then? I like ATI and they make good products, however I think lately they have been making some bad decisions. This is pure opinion here so dont flame me for it. Doesnt mean its right or not, but i think ATI is starting to take a turn for the worst. <BR><BR>Their latest release of their R300 chip on the 9x00 series video cards reminds me a lot of the dreamcast. The dreamcast was released sooner in hopes of gaining a chunk of the market because they were the only product out at the time that provided the capabilities it did. Too bad none of its software utilized the advanced hardware. With the R300, they have released it 4-5 months before the NV30.. not to mention they held the event practically on Nvidias doorstep as if they were trying to gloat. None of the advanced hardware will be used until at least the release of direct x 9 which will be end of october/early november. In reality games wont start using the advantages this card provides until late first quarter/early second quarter 2003.<BR><BR>people say that Nvidia is lagging behind.. but are they? They're investing time money and research so they can provide their new card on a .13 micron process.. that in itself will make production cheaper or allow them to fit a lot more onto the die of the GPU. Their product is set for release along with direct x 9. While many fans of ATI will by the R300.. this hasty release of theirs has done nothing more than hype their fans. Most people will wait until the NV30 since it is more practical and prices will be much better around chirstmas anyway. The NV30 will boast much higher specs and more advanced technology. Because of the .13 micron production process the chip should generate less heat and therefore opens up a larger window for overclocking possibilities.<BR><BR>I personally think that the card is nice. If i had the money to waste, i would go out and buy one now, but it impresses me about as much as Matrox's card did a month and a half ago. Right now ATI is in the lead, but for what? What does it gain them? Simple pride.. pride doesnt fatten our wallets or put food on our plates. If they had held out 3 more months and pushed something unique like Nvidia is doing with the .13 micron process then there would be a reason to buy the card.. but this christmas there will be 3 cards to choose from if not 4 (i believe 3dlabs will release theirs before christmas) and i feel confident enough to say that 70% of video card purchases will be of Nvidia products. Why? because im in love with Nvidia? No. Nvidia is a good company.. so is ATI.. but Nvidias release schedual, marketing and development for this card is far superior to ati's. Just look at the dreamcast and what they did.... i see a lot of the dreamcast in ATI and unless ATI stops going for these cheap shots against Nvidia and actually does something to grab some of the market with a solid quality product.. not simply an earlier release, i give them 3 more product cycles until they pull the same as 3dfx.<BR><BR><BR>Just my opinion.

[zogmool]

Parachute,<BR>They did improve it.<BR><BR>"ATi calls its implementations of anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering 'Smoothvision' and Radeon 9700 is equipped with the latest generation Smoothvision 2.0. Unlike its predecessor Radeon 8500, Radeon 9700 uses a multi-sampling technique for its anti-aliasing implementation. Its superior quality and performance is due to a few special techniques. First of all, Radeon 9700 is using patterns of sub-pixel samples for its multi-sampling that are different to NVIDIA's implementation."

[asphix20]

<br><br><< <i>Whats a CAD card? IS that bad? Isin't the 9000 just a better at some stuff, worse at texture stuff, cheaper to make 8500? Cause the only card I can afford is a Radeon 9000... WHAT THE HELLIS THE CANADIAN PRICES FOR EM?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</i> >><br><br><BR><BR><BR>a cad card is liek Nvidias quadro line of cards.. or 3d labs wildcat series... they're not gaming cards but cards for CAD or in other words CAD=Computer Aided Design. Cad is stuff like 3d animation, any kind of design done on the computer and those sorts fo things.<BR><BR>and no the 9000 and 9000 pro arent cad quality cards. If they were, their price would be 600+ USD. They are simply a similar card to the 8500 intended to compete with Nvidias budget model NV30 releases.

[Max Power]

Thanks. Anyway I want to flame/counter whats-his-face-ati-hating-guy-way-up-there, here I go:<BR><BR>Think about it jimmy, when did the Geforce4's come out... hmmm 3-5 months ago? When are nvidias new cards coming out.... hmmm 3-5 months. When will the next ATI cards come out.... hmmmm 3-5 months. When will the next nvidia cards come out.... See my point here? There just counetring each other and they will keep doing this until one of them does something stupid, like 3DFX did (With there z-buffer). Anyway... yeah.

[revvy]

READ carefully Max!!! the MSRP for the R9700 Pro is $399 AMERICAN and the R9000 Pro is $129 AMERICAN!!!

[Max Power]

I know that. Im talking canadain.

[Juan]

When does the 9700 hit the street? I REAAALLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYY want 1!

[zogmool]

You can get it now at ATI.com for a rediculous price of $449 USD.<BR><BR>I think I'd rather wait and see what other cards are released after DX9 has been out for a while.

[Juan]

I did see that yesterday..I received an email from them a couple hrs after I posted.

[EZDuzit]

I can't remember where, but I thought I saw some "pre-order" prices of $350 someplace.

[Juan]

I just bought the 9000 pro 64MB but I saw that isquaredinc.com and atacom.com have a 9000 Pro 128MB AGP card. Is ATI making a 9000 Pro with 128MB because all the sites that I have been too that have benchmarked it have never said anything about 128MB.

[Juan]

Nevermind..I checked ati.com and they do have a 128MB 9000 Pro..that pisses me off!!! I should be happy with 9000 Pro because it will be a temp card til the 9700 gets a little cheaper.