Hammer cpus will run hot as well

[marcopolo]

<img src="http://www.dynatron-corp.com/images/products/cpucooler/flotherm1_large.JPG"><BR>this little thermal sumulation from the heatsink design for upcoming hammer line cpus...no word on the thermal output but with operating temp of 65C this thing will be hot.

[marcopolo]

that is irrellevant cryppy....the cpu thermal specs. call for operational temp at 65C which in my mind is hot as hell..

[GNXtreme]

That seems pretty hot to me....

[Number04]

comming out of letf field with this one, but does anyone know when the claw hammers will be comming out?

[CHE]

Q4 2002 or Q1 2003 I believe.

[Number04]

all right.... going on the X-mas list!

[CHE]

Hopefully. Some people think they won't be available until 2003.

[Avid6eek]

"Hammer CPUs will run hot as well" This comment is based on nothing other than myth. Nobody knows what the operating temp. of the Hammer CPU will be until it is being mass produced. The fact that this comment was made before AMD released the Thoroughbred "B" core further backs up what I'm saying. AMD just made that core improvement less than a month before the XP 2400 and 2600 were released so how can they possibly have a realistic estimate about the Hammer, which is still months away. Further improvements in the .13 micron process, the implimentation of SOI, and the use of an integrated heat spreader should all reduce the operating temperature of the hammer compared to the T-Bred. When the hammer is released it should be running at the same Mhz frequency of AMD's latest CPUs, just with a higher PR rating. All those improvements, same clock speed = Lower Temps.

[lmpb]

well I guess this answers my question concerning my XP1900 running at 58C. Speeds are set at default and core voltage is AUTO. The AUTO core voltage is 1.76V. Why is this voltage so high? It makes me suspisous that the 1900 could be a lesser XP with a pumped to the upper edge core voltage. Any attempt to run the FSB at 138 or 140 locks it up after a few minutes. I can fix this by raising the core V to 1.85 but then the temp creeps slowly up until the thermal cutoff. I even have that LOUD 7k rpm fan. This chip seems to be maxed out at stock speeds. Is this normal? Is the 1900 a overcooked 16 or 1700 from the factory?

[Colin]

lmpb first, what motherboard are you using? <b>Most</b> boards take temperatures from an <b>external probe</b> which can be off by as much as 15 degrees Celsius... I know newegg got a lot of complaints about the Epox 8K3A line of boards because those mb's read their temps from the <b>internal diode</b> which reported much higher temperatures.<BR><BR>Next, what type of cooling are you using?

[lmpb]

[lmpb]

I have a FIC AN11 MB<BR>mad dog multimedia raptor ti4200 GF4 64 meg video card<BR>256 meg ram (1 board)<BR>maxtor 30 gig 7200 rpm<BR>cd<BR>cdrw<BR>sound on board<BR>volcano 7000 rpm fan

[BAM!]

i am gonna have to agree with shiznit on this one... no matter true or not... logically AMD just won't release a processor that runs at 65 C with stock speed. think about it people... without the facts.. it just doesn't make sense. <BR><BR>-bam!

[BAM!]

impb, what kind of case do you have. is the vendalation good in the case? cause i used to have a HP OEM case it was small as hell and back air-flow. my athlonxp used to run around 60C too. then i switched to cooler master's ATC aluminum case .... temp dropped like 20C. <BR><BR>-bam!

[lmpb]

funny you should mention the case air flow. I just got done pulling out all my ribbon cables and rerouting them to provide air flow paths from the front vent, to the uP and out towards the back fan. Kinda a porting job. I'll check the temp in a little while and let you guys know whats up. I'll bring home a laser thermometer from work monday and see if those temp sensing circuits are accurate. Thanks for the feedback, I'll keep you posted

[Colin]

lmpb are you using that crappy black thermal pad that comes with your heatsink? If you are, you should take it off immediately, it's garbage. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> Replace it wiht some thermal paste and that should help as well.

[lmpb]

arranging the ribbon cables for flow brought the temp down from 58 C to 52.5 C. Thats a good drop considering I could do alot more of it, ya know, a few zip ties here and there. The intake is just a slot in the front panel. I'll give that a shot too. I must have the crappy black thermal strip in there due to the fact I don't own any heat sink compound right now. I'll do that too, thanks. My case isn't a bad one. It cost $80.00 at CompUSA. I do want one of those aluminum ones though. I have two layers of corrugated cardboard in the sides to try to cut down on the fan noise. I've never heard a liquid cooler but I could see how they probably don't make much noise at all.

[Colin]

lmpb any attempt at quietening down your computer will raise the temperatures of your rig eh... Perhaps you'd want to remove 1 or both layers to see how your temperatures are like. <BR><BR>Water cooling in general is quite quiet, but if you get a lousy pump it can be qutie loud as well! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">