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omga14

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

has anyone ever heard of a dsl line being to close to another and bleeding over creating a connection problem. is the signal for the dsl affected by the phone line or not. i have tried enablling cookies but they are not in the security section of the internet options in advanced or the privacy section either. i did find a section that allows me to select wether i would like to allow all cookies and i applied that but still a no go for checking email on aol or msn. both say that cookies are disabled and won't let me in. I can check my email on bellsouth.net but that's it. by the way bellsouth is my dsl provider. the problem began when they accedentaly cut my phone off and when they came out to reconnect the problem began. any help would save me lots of moooooooooooooolaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Joe

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

<< ok heres what you wanna do make some closet in your house a "server room" build a computer that has these specs: 200mhz or better 1 56K modem 1 10/100 nic some ram windows xp a ups would be nice use this computer to dial up to the internet, select internet connection sharing for the nic inside the computer. plug in your computer to the uplink port on the switch and then run cabling through out your hosuse from all the computers back to the switch. plug all this cabling in and on each computer, set the network card to obtain ip address automaticly. windows xp built in ics also turns the computer into a server of sorts, becuase it sets the computer to assisn ip addresses and dns and such. you can also share out a drive of folder on that server computer to share files and crap if you want. the main thing is, the server computer does not need to be fast, it only has to deal with 56K traffic, so you could use a 486 even but a 486 is kinda slow for windows xp. its that easy. >> Man if you get windows xp running on a machine with a 200mhz cpu and qoute "some ram" lol .. I will give you some mad props on that ... oh .. and the machine has to be 100percent stable .. {ex: can run a month with out being turned off, rebooted, or nething like that) I would suggest using windows 2000 pro if you where to buld a machine with that low of specs for a dial up server

chaplndave

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

Pimpin Joe: I am not that Chaplain Dave...but I am the Chaplain Dave from the Naval Base in Lakehurst, NJ.

chaplndave

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

<< << ok heres what you wanna do make some closet in your house a "server room" build a computer that has these specs: 200mhz or better 1 56K modem 1 10/100 nic some ram windows xp a ups would be nice use this computer to dial up to the internet, select internet connection sharing for the nic inside the computer. plug in your computer to the uplink port on the switch and then run cabling through out your hosuse from all the computers back to the switch. plug all this cabling in and on each computer, set the network card to obtain ip address automaticly. windows xp built in ics also turns the computer into a server of sorts, becuase it sets the computer to assisn ip addresses and dns and such. you can also share out a drive of folder on that server computer to share files and crap if you want. the main thing is, the server computer does not need to be fast, it only has to deal with 56K traffic, so you could use a 486 even but a 486 is kinda slow for windows xp. its that easy. >> Man if you get windows xp running on a machine with a 200mhz cpu and qoute "some ram" lol .. I will give you some mad props on that ... oh .. and the machine has to be 100percent stable .. {ex: can run a month with out being turned off, rebooted, or nething like that) I would suggest using windows 2000 pro if you where to buld a machine with that low of specs for a dial up server >> ***Take a look at my original post***I will be using my main machine with Windows XP as my "server" ---running that into the switch. My wife's machine has Windows 98SE and will be downstairs in the basement where the rest of her craft stuff is. When my two unmarried kids are home my son's computer will have Windows XP and my daughter's machine will have Windows 98SE. Eventually I will try to upgrade them all to Windows XP, but that takes time and money. I am looking on ebay as we speak to try to come up with an inexpensive copy for my wife's machine. One more question...with the main machine having Windows XP, will the internet connection sharing setup allow for my wife's machine to use our printer without any special hardware add ons??? Thanks.

Joe

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

lol .. how many chaplin daves are there? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> lol .. was just wondering, because i wanted to know if you knew my dad mike schneider .. he is retired now though .. retired like last year i think.. been a while since i have seen or talked to him .. but anyways lol. just do what crypto said .. but without building another system and use your XP system to do .. once you have gotten it setup on the xp system .. go to the windows 98 system and have the internet point to your windows xp system's local IP address .. should be 192.168.0.1 ... dns is 255.255.255.0 if my memory serves me right .. then the gateway would be 192.168.0.1 again. sharing the printer is a whole other story .. but very easy to do ... go to your printer properties and rightclick hit sharing and then it should do some sort of wizard i believe .. do that on your xp box .. once you have done that go to the windows 98 machine and go into control panel and hit .. printers then double click add printer .. then its a basic easy to use wizard and will guide you right threw the rest of it. its as simple as that <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> BE SURE TO NAME YOUR NETWORK "workgroup" .. not doing that will most often cause you some headaches lol .. sometimes it goes smooth naming it something else .. it will ask if you want to be on a workgroup on the xp box .. but i dont think it will on the 98 machine

chaplndave

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

OK...here's the scoop. I am in the Navy and live aboard the base. We have no cable TV (it's a long story) so housing put in DirecTV for everyone. I was looking at Direct Way, Satellite internet connection, but with the upgrade kit and all they want like a thousand dollars over one year. Forget that. For now I have dial up. It is not ideal, but that is what I have to work with. I have my computer (Windows XP Home) sitting on my desk and I have finally convinced my wife to let me build her a system (Windows 98SE) for her "craft room" in the basement. The kids are all away at school so we are "empty nesters" for the first time. I want to build a small network so that my wife and I can both be on the internet at the same time. Here is the question. For dial up service which do I buy...a hub or a switch. For right now it will only be my wife and myself on the network, but when the two kids come home for the summer I want them to have a place to "plug in" and also have internet access. I know this this will be a drain on the network, but we can live with it for 2 1/2 months in the summer...and then they are off to school again. I need something that has at least four ports, but don't need much more. Not sure exactly what to buy. Of course, I know that I need to buy Cat5 cable for both of us, etc. but not sure what way to go. Has anyone else out there set up a small home network with dial up service who can give a guy some advice? Thanks ahead of time. chaplndave

CaffeinatedSoap

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

A hub and a switch are pretty much the same thing. What you need is a router. Just look around on ebay or somewhere for a 56k router. Otherwise you will have to set up a network to share internet and i dont think you can do that with 2k and 98. I know how with 2k and 2k or 2k and XP

Joe

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

<< A hub and a switch are pretty much the same thing. What you need is a router. Just look around on ebay or somewhere for a 56k router. Otherwise you will have to set up a network to share internet and i dont think you can do that with 2k and 98. I know how with 2k and 2k or 2k and XP >> Ummm .. let me clear a little bit up here. one "56k routers" are non existent routers are used for sharing cable or dsl .. or if you have t1 then you will ne a whole different kind of router .. but since you are not looking at t1 lines or up then a normal router will work fine if you do get broadband. there is a huge difference between switchs and hubs. a hub sends information everywhere .. basicly its just a link between the computers and its stupid a switch sends only the info your sending to exactly where you are sending it ... so it dont send the info all over the place to all the computers. thus making it faster and more reliable and less packet loss. its smart basically in your case since you are using 56k and are using windows xp .. you can use the built in ICS (internet connection sharing) services in windows. you can go with either a hub or switch for this .. or you can even buy a router so you dont have to buy one later for when you do go broadband. so basicaly just pick up whatever router switch , or hub that fits your budget .. if you have one. if you only plan on having two computers on your network then you can just skip the hub all together and just buy a patch cable and run it from pc to pc. there is a wide variety of networking stuff on the market now .. if you are not looking to run cables .. there are boxes that will let you run your network through your phone lines .. and there is even starting to be setups to run it through your houses electrical wiring. and then there is always wireless.. but if you ask me .. if you dont have a laptop then wireless is pretty much useless .. i mean come on .. its not like your gonna be walking around witha computer and ups strapped to your back lol <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> if you need any more help i would be glad to do so

GNXtreme

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

A company by the name of Broadcom had some good phone line networking stuff.  It only has a 10M transfer rate but I did have a network set up and it worked fine for internet sharing.

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

I networked 4 computers at home because of a similair situation.....sharing the internet, and online gaming. I used a "Linksys EtherFast® Cable/DSL Router with 4-Port Switch" To set it up all you have to do is plug the Cat5 cable from the modemn into the Switch and connect the switch to the computers you want to use the internet on. Once this is don't you can share a single internet connection as well as share files between computers. Takes a whole 10 minutes to set up and works great. You can find the switch on www.tcwo.com for $76 ($66 after $10 rebate). http://www.tcwo.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_prod.html?p_prodid=1612&sid=1gi2Ty0WgEfp1qP

Joe

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

<< I networked 4 computers at home because of a similair situation.....sharing the internet, and online gaming. I used a "Linksys EtherFast® Cable/DSL Router with 4-Port Switch" To set it up all you have to do is plug the Cat5 cable from the modemn into the Switch and connect the switch to the computers you want to use the internet on. Once this is don't you can share a single internet connection as well as share files between computers. Takes a whole 10 minutes to set up and works great. You can find the switch on www.tcwo.com for $76 ($66 after $10 rebate). http://www.tcwo.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_prod.html?p_prodid=1612&sid=1gi2Ty0WgEfp1qP >> He isnt networking a broadband connection though .. he is doing dial up

Iceman

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

Get a switch if you can afford it

chaplndave

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

OK people...here's an update. Along with being a member of the pc stats forum I am also a member of several other ones, including Techware Labs. I just won a Compex 16 port managed switch. I am assuming that this will more than take care of any meager needs for two computers. Any advice on setup or which cables to buy for it? Will I be able to use my dial up ISP on both networked computers? Do I still need to buy some sort of switch if I want to be able to use my printer with both computers? This opens up a whole new world. By the way, if you want to read about the switch that I won just surf on over to the Techware Labs web site and look at the equipment they have reviewed (upper right hand corner).

Joe

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

since you got a switch now ..a ll you will need is some RJ-45/Cat5 cables and soem network cards to get it goin if you want to share your internet between the computer you have several options one .. if you are running win2k or win xp .. then you can use its built in ICS (internet connection sharing) .. if you are not running any of them OS's you will need to get some 3rd party ICS applications ... I can think of any at the moment but i am sure if you searched like download.com you could find some software to set this up for you. I will have to do some searchin around and see what i can dig up for you. its been a long time since i have used dial up so I am a bit rusty on this note the machine that has the modem is where you will install this software .. if one machine has win2k or winxp ..thats the machine that should have the modem .. both machines dont need same os's so the other can have like 98, 95, linux, whatever floats your boat just as long as you know how to configure tcp/ip ... your switch should have a manual that will exaplain this to some extent. other then that .. there is tons of guides online about doing this. *edit* by the way .. you wouldnt happen to be the chaplin dave from kingsland ga naval base would ya? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

chaplndave

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

<< lol .. how many chaplin daves are there? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> lol .. was just wondering, because i wanted to know if you knew my dad mike schneider .. he is retired now though .. retired like last year i think.. been a while since i have seen or talked to him .. but anyways lol. just do what crypto said .. but without building another system and use your XP system to do .. once you have gotten it setup on the xp system .. go to the windows 98 system and have the internet point to your windows xp system's local IP address .. should be 192.168.0.1 ... dns is 255.255.255.0 if my memory serves me right .. then the gateway would be 192.168.0.1 again. sharing the printer is a whole other story .. but very easy to do ... go to your printer properties and rightclick hit sharing and then it should do some sort of wizard i believe .. do that on your xp box .. once you have done that go to the windows 98 machine and go into control panel and hit .. printers then double click add printer .. then its a basic easy to use wizard and will guide you right threw the rest of it. its as simple as that <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> BE SURE TO NAME YOUR NETWORK "workgroup" .. not doing that will most often cause you some headaches lol .. sometimes it goes smooth naming it something else .. it will ask if you want to be on a workgroup on the xp box .. but i dont think it will on the 98 machine >> Don't think I know Mike Schneider...but then again, I have gotten to know...and have probably forgotten...an awful lot of people. Yea, there are probably a lot of "Daves" who are Chaplains...I can think of five or six right off the top of my head. Three and a half more years...and then I'll be retired like your dad. I can't wait. I'm in a doctoral program now and hope to get into the college chaplain scene after the Navy. Who knows what the good Lord has in store??!!! Thanks so much for your responses to my situation. I do have NIC cards in all of the computers now and have found a rather inexpensive place to get CAT 5 cables on ebay. I'm going to wait to get the switch before going much farther. My wife's machine may end up going to my son as his just went belly up. He was on KaZaa and downloaded a virus or something. He has been without his machine for almost a month now. My wife and I are going to Michigan for a family wedding and at that time I will take my wife's machine up and swap it out with his. His machine has an Abit KG7 motherboard with 256MB of DDR memory. He also has an AMD Athlon 1.4GHz processor. He bought a copy of Windows XP Professional through the college and when he tried to install it, he got some error messages. A friend of his thought it might be a problem with motherboard, memory or processor...so instead of having him do all of the troubleshooting I decided it would be best to drop off my wife's machine and let him install XP on that one. Her machine has an IWill XP333-R motherboard, 256MB of Mushkin PC3200 DDR, and an AMD Athlon 1.13GHz processor. He may want to swap out the processor, along with his CD-RW and Pioneer 16X DVD which is fine, but I don't want to do too much else by way of troubleshooting until after I get home. NOt sure how to test the motherboard...perhaps take it to a local shop which may cost me a bit, but if I can be sure of where the problem is, I will know what I have to replace. Any other suggestions? Thanks again for keeping in touch. You have been most helpful. I look forward to keeping the dialogue going.

Joe

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

Your son could have just recieved a copy of windows XP with a blacklisted key ... maybe he tried to register it online and did'nt realize the key was blacklisted ... I had that happen to me ... perfectly legit copy of XP and it got blacklisted lol ... so now its not legit because i aint paying microsuck money for something i already own lol <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

chaplndave

06-15-04, 01:25 PM

<< Your son could have just recieved a copy of windows XP with a blacklisted key ... maybe he tried to register it online and did'nt realize the key was blacklisted ... I had that happen to me ... perfectly legit copy of XP and it got blacklisted lol ... so now its not legit because i aint paying microsuck money for something i already own lol <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> >> Actually, the error message came, I think, before he actually loaded the software. I think it came when XP was looking at his system to determine if the system would successfully meet all of the requirements of XP. Who knows...anyway, I will try to take him the other machine and then I will start to try to figure out why his system went "belly up". But thanks for the post. It is wonderful to have people who care about you and your "challenges" and respond just because they want to help out. Keep up the great work! Talk to you soon....