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Tetrad
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Check out my score, everything is stock. It seems with everyone I compare I kill in environment bumpmapping, do you guys know why? <BR><a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5476695">1424</a>

DeanLowe
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
<b>Happy New Year!</b><BR><BR>I'm curious to know how many of you guy s got over the 10K mark.<BR><BR><img src="http://members.lycos.co.uk/deanl0we/3DMark8500-128M.JPG"><BR><BR><a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5499233">ATI Radeon 8500 128MB - 3DMark2001 SE - 10138</a>

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Awesome score Dean! Anything over 10k with a Radeon 8500 is very good.<BR><BR>I can't believe the KingMAX memory can do 2-2-2-5! Is the KingMAX using TinyBGA DRAM or Winbond BH-6 memory?<BR><BR>Hmm, did you notice you're only running 2x AGP mode? If you can get your system to run 4x AGP you should get a bit of a performance boost in the Nature demo. Haha, I guess it's the combination of nVIDIA motherboard and ATi videocard. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> <BR><BR>Did you use Rage3D Tweak? You may get a few hundred more points if you optimize it for 3DMark2001.

DeanLowe
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
The KingMax 512MB DDR333 uses Winbond -6 chips from their "SuperRAM" line. As you already know, from your review of KingMax RAM, the KingMax Tiny BGA chips suck. I guess that's why Corsair and other "performance" brands use Winbond chips. <BR><a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.kingmax.com/product/pro_super.htm">KingMax "SuperRAM"</a>

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
<br><br><< <i>The KingMax 512MB DDR333 uses Winbond -6 chips from their "SuperRAM" line.</i> >><br><br>Nice! Anything with Winbond BH-6 will clock high. If you turn the timings down a bit to say 2-2-3-7 you should be able to clock much higher without losing much performance.

Black Cat
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
i just have to show off my super high score of<BR> 1711<BR>all the 3dmark setings are on low <BR><BR>i need help<BR><BR>as for my cpu stats<BR><BR>intel celeron 2.0 GHz<BR>256MB pc 2100 ddr ram<BR>intel 82845G extreme graphics with 7MB built in ram and 54MB from system ra<BR>not sure on the mother board <BR>

DeanLowe
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Intel may not want this fact to get out but "Extreme" graphics means Extremely slow graphics even by last year's standards. Intel Extreme Graphics is for people who just surf the 'net and don't do much else. Get a separtate graphics card and let's pretend on-board graphics never existed<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Hey Black Cat welcome to PCStats! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>Unfortunately DeanLowe is right, while the Intel Extreme Graphics is much better then any other onboard video, it can't compare to the standalone stuff. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>Do you happen to know which motherboard you have? You should have an AGP slot, if you get yourself a new AGP based videocard even a cheap one like Radeon 9000 or GeForce4 Ti4200 you will notice a <b>huge</b> performance increase in your 3d applications!

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Damn! Not bad, perhaps I should be playing with AMD if I want to break 20k! <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5563258">15k</a> with everything stock on the AthlonXP 2700+ w/MSI nForce2 and Radeon 9700 Pro!

Avid6eek
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
This must be the place where all the overclockers get their jollies off...lol

Black Cat
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
well i know about intels on board video and i dont have a agp slot so im stuck with pci<BR>witch means the best i can get is a ge-force 4 mx420 64MB sdram for 89.99<BR><BR><BR>pitty me<BR>Black Cat

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Black Cat what motherboard do you have? Did you buy an OEM computer (HP, IBM, Dell)? I have seen some GeForce4 MX4<b>4</b>0's that are PCI. That would be much faster then what you're using right now.<BR><BR>Even a MX420 will be a substantial upgrade from what you're currently using. Even though it's using SDRAM, it's faster then a GeForce2 MX400. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Hey Tetrad! Welcome to PCStats! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>Hmm, you mean <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5476695">14224</a> right? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>Your Enviromnt bumpmapping fps is just a bug. It may be due to the fact you're using DX9 and DX9 drivers. Do you always get that high a framerate there?

Tetrad
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Yeah, I had amazing environment bumpmappiing scores even before I updated to DX9. See here: <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5146438 ">With DX8.1</a>

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Hmm... Do you have anything running in the background? When it actually runs the benchmark does it look that smooth and have that high a frame rate in the frame rate counter? That's a weird one. Hey what happens if you only run the enviroment bumpmapping?<BR><BR>I see you get a nice boost with DX 9 and the new Catalyst 3.0 drivers... Lucky you, I got a 400 point lower score. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

Tetrad
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
I don't have any backround programs running, not that that would help anyway. I ran it alone and it's better than ever. Very, very smooth. Why is this?<BR> <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5593835">Environment Bumpmapping Alone</a>

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
OMG... That's insane man. To be honest Tetrad I'm not sure what's going on. I guess it;s just another bug in 3DMark, unfortunately I have no idea how to fix that sorry. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> Are you willing to format and reinstall?<BR><BR>On a side note, that's a mighty fine system you got there. Have you tried overclocking it?

Tetrad
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Are you suggesting I should reinstall windows and reinstall 3Dmark. Because if you are I do have a second HDD I could just install windows on and see if it truly is a bug(I still think it is just my systems awsomeness). And I had some nice results overclocking the 9700 but not my CPU. I can move the FSB from 166 to like 175 anything after that crashes durring benchmark. I think it is because I have CPU spread spectrum on (it says in mainboard manual to to turn off if overclocking) but if I turn it off my system wont run 3Dmark. Any ideas? <BR><BR>And I fixed link in last post.

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Yes that's exactly what I'm suggesting you do. <br><br><< <i>(I still think it is just my systems awsomeness)</i> >><br><br>That certainly is possible! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> Hmm... I think your CPU has problems oc'ing because the Radeon 9700 Pro doesn't handle high AGP speeds very well. Which motherboard are you using exactly? I'm not familiar with MSI's model numbers.<BR><BR>I'm not sure why turning off Spread Spectrum stops you from running 3DMark. What's the error message you get? It doesn't do much enabled or disabled anyway. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

Tetrad
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
I have a KT4Ultra 6590. The overclocking options are pretty basic, actually, they're really lacking but I still really like the board. Anyway it says in mainboard manual "Remember to disable Spread Spectrum if you are overclocking because even a slight jitter can introduce a temporary boost in clockspeed which may cause your overclocked processor to lock up". I think my psu might be holding me back, I only have Enermax 350watt, and I would get a new one but I have the wires all tidy and all, or it could be my mainboard but I really do like it. I have done a modest 9700 overclock and got a 1000point boost, and I know I could go higher but my system runs great the way it is so I'm not worried. I wanna put a P4 system together for like $1000 with a 2.53ghz processor overclocked(cause I hear they overclock well) and an albatron GeForce4 Ti 4200Turbo or something and overclock that good. I will install windows on my other HDD later, it probably is just a glitch but it's a nice one.

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Oh, the KT4 Ultra. Ya, I reviewed that board earlier, was pretty impressed myself! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <br><br><< <i> "Remember to disable Spread Spectrum if you are overclocking because even a slight jitter can introduce a temporary boost in clockspeed which may cause your overclocked processor to lock up". </i> >><br><br>So what's the problem you're having with 3DMark when you disable that? I just played with that on my test rig and I can run 3DMark with both on and off.<BR><BR>Honestly I'm not a big fan of Enermax PSU's myself. I find they're better then generic, but not all that good overall. If you're looking for a new PSU, check out the Antec TruPower's or Vantec's if you can afford it. I think your mobo is fine, I didn't have any problems with the KT4 Ultra when I tested. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> What was your Radeon 9700 Pro overclock? Haha, ya I don't think your rig would have any problems with games.<BR><BR>If you do decide to get a P4, make sure you get a C1 based P4. Most C1's can hit 3 GHz easy while the earlier B0 steppings have a much harder time.

Tetrad
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
3DMark crashes with out spread spectrum, I dunno why. I'll try a little tweeking sometime, it wasn't always like that. And I would buy a new PSU but I spent such a long time getting the wires all nice and tidy. The leads were way to long IMO.

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
<br><br><< <i>3DMark crashes with out spread spectrum, I dunno why.</i> >><br><br>Where exactly? If you tell me which test it crashes at, I may be able to tell you waht's wrong. LOL, I'm a 3DMark freak! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"><br><br><< <i>And I would buy a new PSU but I spent such a long time getting the wires all nice and tidy. The leads were way to long IMO. </i> >><br><br>Haha, I love them long! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> I have a tall case. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

Tetrad
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Lucky if I get a second into the first car chase. It usually crashes before it even renders a frame.

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Hmm... If it crashes in car chase it usually means 1 of two things. If it crashes back to desktop, it may mean that your memory timings are too tight, you may need to relax them a bit. If it's a hard lock, it usually means CPU error. Now if you're at stock speeds, I have no idea why you would get those errors!<BR><BR>Haha, as you can probably guess I "play" 3DMark <b>way</b> too much! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

DeanLowe
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Can you play any of the newer games or do they crash also?

IOU
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Best I can do right now is this , Run 3dmaark and tell U what the duron 800 does then compare later when i get my new 2700 , tues or weds. bbat . I have no web hosting and not sure how to post pics other wise .

Tetrad
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
My mem is running 2-2-5-2 at 333 so I'll relax and try, but thats only with spreadspectrum off, with on it's fine.

IOU
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
6280 was my score with the duron 800 .

Tetrad
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Ok so i set to 2.5-2-6-2, any more conservative wouldn't post, and it runs a bit better but still crashes to desktop within seconds. I guess I'm doomed to run with spreadspectrum forever. On a side note, I'm thinking back and I realized ever other crash I've had while overclocking windows always blamed on Radeon, so um yeah. Anyway I'll install windows on my other hdd and test withing the next couple days.

DeanLowe
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
If it works then why do you care what the manual says?! Don't "fix" it if it ain't broke.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">

DeanLowe
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Is the Radeon overclocked when 3D Mark crashes?

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
<br><br><< <i>I have no web hosting and not sure how to post pics other wise . </i> >><br><br>IOU that's cool dude, <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="mailto:colin.sun@pcstats.com">e-mail</a> me the pic's and I'll host them for you! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <br><br><< <i>6280 was my score with the duron 800 . </i> >><br><br>That's not bad! <br><br><< <i>Anyway I'll install windows on my other hdd and test withing the next couple days. </i> >><br><br>Tetrad try installing Windows <b>without</b> Spread Spectrum and see if you can run 3DMark... Perhaps that's one of those switches that require you to format and reinstall after it's turned off. I'm not sure because I always leave it off right from the start.

Tetrad
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Alrighty, I'l give that a shot when I get back from work at 10 or so.

one
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
MY HOME Gaming SyStem <BR>1900xp runs @34C or lower <BR>8ka3+ <BR>520psu <BR>thermalright-800/delta80/80fan <BR>ocsystem 3200ram-512mw/cooperheatsinks <BR>yama 16x dvd <BR>liteon 32-12-40 <BR>9700pro/405/690w/heatpipes&vidcard cooler <BR>2 maxtor 60gig raid-0 <BR>and a total of 8 fans sunon 80mm high output for case cooling <BR>mitsubishi 19in diamond plus 91 flatscreen <BR>13500 plus SE2001 <BR>logiteck optical mice<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5604620">http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5604620</a><a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5604620">http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5604620</a>

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Nice one! How do you like DX 9 and the Catalyst 3.0's? I tried them for my system and I lost 400 points.. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

one
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
I personallly gained over 200 points! I also have a clean install. The lack of power before killed my bootsector,so I had to do a clean install.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Hmm, perhaps I should put together an AMD machine and bust out some serious 3DMark scores then! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

CompSnake
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
i used 3dbenchmark 2001 on my asus gf4mx420 on a 1600+ and got an amazing score of 3205<BR>beat that guys, oh wait, most of you did

Polykranopalous
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
haha comp, u may have a faster computer, but you'll never beat my 3987 with sapphire radeon 9000 64mb atlantic series

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Once I break 20k I'm going to quit... It won't happen any time soon for me though, my comp is not fast enough. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

DeanLowe
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Had a little fun with a P4 2.4B earlier tonight. Highest speed that 3D Mark will run at is 164MHz FSB for a CPU speed of 2952MHz. It runs SiSoft Sandra up to 169MHz FSB, though. The Vcore isn't high enough to let me clock any higher, when i set it to 1.7V it's only 1.66V in the Health Status section of the BIOS.<BR><BR>Here's what I got:<BR><a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5630056">16035 with the Radeon 9700Pro at normal speed.</a><BR><img src="http://members.lycos.co.uk/deanl0we/3ghz/3DMark-2.4B-164FSB.JPG"><BR><BR><a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5630077">16586 when overclocked to a modest 351MHz core/340MHz memory.</a><BR><img src="http://members.lycos.co.uk/deanl0we/3ghz/3DMark-2.4B-164FSB-351-340.JPG">

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Yes, the IT7 MAX2 Rev2 has a problem with undervolting... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>Those are some pretty impressive scores congrat's! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Here are all my 3DMark scores... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>As you guys can see from my sig, the highest I score is <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5210979">19113</a> but I have quite a few other scores as well. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"><BR><BR><a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5389606">16152</a> - Ti4200<BR><a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5200777">10761</a> - Xabre600<BR><a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=4938112">10374</a> - MX440-8X<BR><BR>Not bad eh? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Polykranopalous
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Wow...and I thought my 3987 was high? Seems like I got a lot of work to do

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Of all the scores I have, I think I'm most astonished by my MX440-8X score... Haha, a DX7 videocard scoring 10k in a DX8 benchmark! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

Canadian-Guy
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
damn...I score around 3600 with my radeon Le oc'ed to 185

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Well I'm sure you guys know by now, I'm a 3DMark freak! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Polykranopalous
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
<br><br><< <i>Well I'm sure you guys know by now, I'm a 3DMark freak! </i> >><br><br>No, really?

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Playing with a new Ti4800SE... I don't know why it registers as a Ti4200, it's really more like a Ti4400.<BR><BR>Check it out <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5697675">16550</a>. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

IOU
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Well after the Modding looks like the power supply is not greatly affected .<BR><BR><BR><BR>Here is my latest mark Colin no Oc just ..... A LA NATURAL....<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"><BR><BR><img src="http://members.lycos.co.uk/csmo/Forum/IOU/score.JPG ">

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Nice IOU! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> I'm sure you can raise that score though if you tweak your machine! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> Check out one of my <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1272">3DMark Tweak Guides</a>. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Not bad for a GeForce DDR <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5775037">4750</a>... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
W00T, new score... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"><BR><BR><a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5881981">19185</a>. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Tetrad
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Well, I just recently got around to installing OS with spread spectrum disabled but it didn't help any, 3dmark still crashed. Anywho, I'm thinking about getting a new mainboard, maybe when I get my tax return. I really wanna see what I can do as far as overclocking goes, but since I can't lock the agp bus my 9700pro crashes.

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Tetrad damn dude that really sucks... Sorry we could not be of any help. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

JLAudioFan
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5915396<BR><BR>there's mine.... i scored a 11,336. Not too shabby for not really overclocking the board yet <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>Anyone know what I could max out at with my XP2000+ with my epox 8rda+??

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
JLAudioFan welcome to PCStats! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>As for how high you could overclock that's difficult to say... Do you know what stepping XP 2000+ you have? Is it a Palomino or T-Bred?

GNXtreme
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Well I was able to get a 3DMark of 9068 with all stock settings: CPU, RAM, and video card.

JLAudioFan
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
<br><br><< <i>JLAudioFan welcome to PCStats! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"><BR><BR><BR><BR>As for how high you could overclock that's difficult to say... Do you know what stepping XP 2000+ you have? Is it a Palomino or T-Bred?</i> >><br><br><BR><BR>How can I tell which one it is?<BR>I reset my defaults again, and tinkered around... scored a 11,254 on 133mhz FSB.... then I upped the FSB to ONLY 140MHz and my score jumped to 11686...<BR><BR>Time to reboot and do it again!

JLAudioFan
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Well, I finally got above 12K <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5919739<BR><BR>I think most of the credit there goes to the bomb video card that albatron made and I bought... I cranked that puppy up real high and it loves it.<BR><BR>I'm having trouble overclocking the cpu/fsb however...<BR><BR>I can get the FSB to 141Mhz before 3Dmark craps out 1/2way through the 2nd test. 142 does NOT work, but 141Mhz looks ok... I left it at 140Mhz just to be safe. I'm not having as much luck with anything else though :/<BR><BR>I think part of it has to do with the fact I'm used to overclocking a K6-III... so many options on this mobo, I have hardly a clue what to do.... Colin, that's where I hope you can help me out =)<BR><BR>One last thing. If I managed to get ahold of a locked cpu ( <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> ), is there any way to unlock it?

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
JLAudioFan download <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php">CPU-Z</a>, it will tell you what type of processor you have.<BR><BR>Ya, Albatron makes a kick ass videocard! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Nice score btw.<BR><BR>What type of memory are you using? What are the timings? If it's generic, it may not like running at high speeds with aggressive memory timings.<BR><BR>I forgot, what mobo are you using again?<BR><BR>yes it's possible to unlock the processor, but it depends on what type of CPU you have, Palomino or T-Bred.

JLAudioFan
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Doh! I was having a great time last night, playing games... and the comp just turned off. The power supply overheated and I it's fried. I think it was working too hard... I thought I had a 375 watt PSU, but I looked at it and it was only 300 watts. That's definitly not enough for my system... So, it looks like I'll be waiting on a power supply.<BR><BR>I've decided I might as well get a new case (since most come with power supply).<BR><BR>Here's the one I'm getting:<BR><BR>http://www.unitedmicro.com/specs.cgi?CSAWF003<BR><BR>I think a 420 watt PSU would be sufficient (good # too)<BR><BR>Do Althons say on the actual chip if they are a Palamino or T-bred? (it's going to kill me not knowing, and I can't really boot it up with no power... so i have to go look if it does say) <BR><BR>I don't know what brand memory i have, but it's PC3200 DDR400... this is what the site i ordered off of has about the ram:<BR>>>>512MB DDR SDRAM, 400MHz DDR, PC3200, 32x64, 2.5V, unbuffered, CL2.5, 184-pin. 6 layer PCB to enhance stability and performance. Original module. <<<<<BR><BR>I'm not sure I understand something though. When it booted up, the bios said "Performance DDR Timing Enabled (266Mhz)"... Why would it not be running at 400Mhz? Does the XP2000+ not support that? I noticed if I put the memory frequency at 75% and upped the FSB, it would say DDR333... But when I had it like that, 3dmark would either crash or not run at all...<BR>

DeanLowe
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
It doesn't say Palomino or Thoroughbred. The most effective setting for the memory is 100% of the Front Side Bus speed or Sync mode. Memory support is a function of the chipset on the motherboard and not the CPU.

JLAudioFan
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Ok, got a temporary power supply... <BR><BR>I have a Palamino... and I'm guessing that's the locked one, right? It'd be just my luck <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> <BR><BR>on a side note... its a 3dmark score of 7486 good for having 2x AA and 2x AF enabled?

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
<br><br><< <i>Ok, got a temporary power supply... <BR><BR>I have a Palamino... and I'm guessing that's the locked one, right? It'd be just my luck <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> <BR><BR>on a side note... its a 3dmark score of 7486 good for having 2x AA and 2x AF enabled?</i> >><br><br>Yes the Palomino is locked by defualt, but it doesn't mean you can't get a good oc out of it! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> With good air cooling I can see ya hit 1.9 GHz if you have a good stepping.<BR><BR>7486 is a very good score with AA and AF enabled! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> Damn, that's impressive!

JLAudioFan
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Is there a guide somewhere that shows how to unlock my cpu? I'd like to see what kinda 3dmark scores I can get with an unlocked cpu <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>An noob's overclocking guide would help me greatly also <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
JLAudioFan where are you located?<BR><BR>There are lots of guides out there, but to be honest I don't find any of them very good. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> <BR><BR>Hold on, I think HighSpeed PC sells an unlocking kit for like $10-20 US but I can't seem to connect to their site.

GNXtreme
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Here is the link to my first score....this is with the system completely stock.<BR><A class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://members.lycos.co.uk/csmo/Forum/GNXtreme/3Dmark2001se.JPG" target=blank>9K</A><BR>This one is just a little overclocked on my fsb and video card.<BR><A class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://members.lycos.co.uk/csmo/Forum/GNXtreme/overclocked_3dmark.JPG" target=blank>10K</A><BR>I will have higher scores later...bet on it.

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Very nice GNXtreme! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> You should be able to hit 11k, I'm sure of it. <BR><BR>Why don't you post a Compare URL, maybe we can help ya out. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

GNXtreme
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
<P>I would love to post a compare url, but something went wrong with my install of 3DMark2001se and it won't let me post online.&nbsp; I will have to try to reinstall it and try again.</P>

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Damn that really sucks. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> Do you have another computer handy? YOu can save and upload your score wiht another computer...

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Nice increase mmcduff! Why don't you try some newer drivers? The Detonator 40's really increase performance!<BR><BR>Can you raise your FSB further? Back in the day I had a 1 GHz AVIA Y T-Bird @ 1.5 GHz on 1.85V on air!

mmcduff
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
I got 5763 w/ ECS k7vma, 1GHz athlon, corsair pc100 cl3 256mb, MSI ti4200-8x 64mb<BR><BR>are my scores just about right for my system?

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
mmcduff it's difficult to say honestly... It looks a bit low for your videocard, but then again you're only using an Athlon 1 GHz. Can you post a compare URL for us?

mmcduff
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
yeah, i just sorta got the videocard as a little hold-over until I can get a better mb and ram. I'm sorta lookin at the 8rda or the msi nforce2 board, but i want to wait until the new amd 64bit cpu's come out so all the other prices are lowered and such <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>anyway i just raised my fsb on my mb w/ voltage settings 10% to 110, put my ram at cl2 which it what is supposed to do but sometimes it gets unstable so i usually leave it at cl3, and then oc'd my vid card to 290 core clock and 563 memory clock. Anyway i got 6194: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6115312

GNXtreme
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
The Detonator 40's are very good drivers.

mmcduff
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
where can i get the detonator 40's

GNXtreme
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
<A href="http://www.nvidia.com">www.nvidia.com</A>&nbsp;

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
mmcduff, specifically I find the Det 40.52's the fastest... They're a bit older then teh current WHQL ones but they're very fast. You can find them <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://download.guru3d.com/">here</a>. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

mmcduff
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
are the drivers supported by nvidia?

DeanLowe
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
Yet another <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6142548">3D Mark 2001 Score</a>.

Colin
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
mmcduff they're not supported they're beta.. I used them for a good 6 months in my main rig when I was running a Ti4600 and had no problems.<BR><BR>DeanLowe, nice you're so close to 16k now! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

BAM!
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
personally i find detenator 40.xxxxx degrades image quality. i am a image/sound freak, so i notice those little things all the time. despite the image quality, 40.xxxxxx is faster than the current offical 41.09

mmcduff
06-15-04, 01:25 PM
crap...<BR>while i got my 3dmarks up another 300 w/ the dets and some more oc'ing my vid card, when my computer froze up and i had to restart it it messed up all the icons on my desktop and i had them in a special arrangment and stuff...grr....

Colin
06-15-04, 01:26 PM
mmcduff I hate that so much as well. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>Don't give up though I'm sure hte new det's will improve your score! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">