Pentium 4 Overclocking Guide *56k Warning*

[danny16866]

<br><br><< <i>Intel 3.06Ghz.....talk about a waste of money. I could get 3 Athlon XP 2400s, and an XP 2000 for that amount money :-).....or if i was really smart, I could have gotten an Athlon XP 2700 (333fsb) and a Radeon 9700 PRO for the same amound as that P4. </i> >><br><br><BR><BR><br><br><< <i>No, he would have a system that gamed a bit better.</i> >><br><br><BR><BR>it will game even better when i get a radeon 9700! whos laughin now........muhahaha

[Avid6eek]

It's sooo hard to argue AMD AMD AMD when Intel happens to <b>AT THE MOMENT</b> have the fastest CPU.....Thankfully Intels reign won't be lasting much longer... as for the muhahaha......I'll have the last laugh!

[danny16866]

<br><br><< <i>It's sooo hard to argue AMD AMD AMD when Intel happens to AT THE MOMENT have the fastest CPU.....Thankfully Intels reign won't be lasting much longer... as for the muhahaha......I'll have the last laugh! </i> >><br><br><BR><BR>I like amd this actaully the first intel chip ive ever owned but i needed an upgrade.....cuz i do more than gaming on my computer. And about amd.....theh next chip that ill buy will most likey be an athlon of the hammer variety<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

[Avid6eek]

Quick question for ya....how do you justify the price of the 3.06Ghz P4 considering that if you were to sit down on my system, you would see no difference in performance?

[Colin]

There seems to be a lot of questions on how to overclock the Pentium 4 these days. Well hopefully I'll be able to answer most questions with this quicky "P4 Overclocking Guide". <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"><BR> <BR>Because the Pentium 4 is multiplier <b>locked</b> by default, the only way to overclock the processor is to raise the FSB. To do that, you'll have to enter your computer's BIOS by hitting the "Delete" key when your system is counting memory when you first turn on your computer. Once you're inside there you'll need to find your <b>Frequency Control</b> section in your BIOS. Unfortunately most motherboards out there are a bit different from each other so I can't really tell you exactly where that is. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"><BR> <BR>Currently my test rig is using the Abit BG7 (i845G) and I find my frequency control options in "Soft Menu III". Here's how it looks...<BR> <BR><img src="http://members.lycos.co.uk/csmo/Forum/P4OC_Guide/p4oc_1.jpg"><BR> <BR>As we can see, there are a lot of options availalbe but what exactly do they do?<BR><BR>The first option we have is <b>Ext. Clock (CPU/AGP/PCI)</b>. <BR><BR><img src="http://members.lycos.co.uk/csmo/Forum/P4OC_Guide/p4oc_2.jpg"><BR><BR>That's where we increase the FSB, you want to go easy and push it up 2-3 MHz at a time until your system becomes unstable. When that happens, you may need to adjust some of the other options available.<BR><BR>The next option we have is <b>PCI Bus Frequency</b>. Everything in the computer is tied to the system bus (FSB). When you raise the FSB you usually also raise the AGP and PCI speeds and certain devices may not like the added stress from overclocking. If a AGP/PCI peripheral cannot handle the speed, it can cause your computer to run unstable or stop you from POSTing! Usually when overclocking, it's a good idea to remove all your PCI cards to eliminate any possible problems. After you find your maximum speed, then start plugging the PCI cards back in and see if any of them give you problems. <BR><BR>We wrote about how <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=937">network cards affect overclocking</a> and you may want to read it to get an ideal about what I'm talking about.<BR><BR>The next option we have is <b>DRAM H/W Strap and DRAM Ratio (CPU<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">RAM)</b>. Despite the fancy names that simply sets how fast the memory is to run. Because the P4 is usually bandwidth limited when teamed up with the single channel DDR, you want your memory running as fast as it can. If you set your memory to run faster then the FSB your memory may max out much quicker then the processor. If that happens, you may want to slow your memory down a bit.<BR><BR>After playing with the above settings if you're still running into problems it may be time to raise the CPU voltage.<BR><BR><img src="http://members.lycos.co.uk/csmo/Forum/P4OC_Guide/p4oc_4.jpg"><BR><BR>Abit does not really allow you to add too much voltage to the processor, but some other boards give you more power. Depending on what type of cooling you're using and which stepping P4 you have you may only want to increase your voltage a bit, or you may want to increase it a lot. <BR><BR>If you're using a smaller heatsink or the stock cooler, you probably don't want to add more then 10% more voltage. If you have something a bit more hardcore or are using watercooling adding up to 20%.<BR><BR>Memory is also something that maxes out very quickly, luckily most motetherboards allow you to raise the DIMM voltage as well.<BR><BR><img src="http://members.lycos.co.uk/csmo/Forum/P4OC_Guide/p4oc_3.jpg"><BR><BR>The test motherboard for example allows you to raise the voltage from 2.5V to a maximum of 2.8V. When you start noticing errors like 3d applications dropping back to desktop, it usually means your memory is running too fast and raising the voltage should help stabilize things. <BR><BR>Epox boards usually allow for up to 3.2V, but you really don't want to give that much voltage to your parts for prolonged periods of time.<BR><BR>Hopefully this quicky guide will be able to point the members of the PCStats forums in the right direction when it comes to Pentium 4 overclocking. Let us know how high you get your systems and drop in the <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://bbs.pcstats.com/pcstats/categories.cfm?catid=69">Benchmarks</a> forum! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>If any experienced users have anything to contribute, feel free to add anything I have forgotten! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

[Avid6eek]

LOL....you take pictures of the monitor as you do this? You need a newer monitor....that one has quite the curved surface :-p

[Colin]

<br><br><< <i>LOL....you take pictures of the monitor as you do this? You need a newer monitor....that one has quite the curved surface :-p </i> >><br><br> Nah, that's ok that monitor is for my test rig, not my main one! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> For my test rig, I don't really need a high quality monitor, I just need on that does 1600x1200.

[Avid6eek]

Okay, just checking. I've seen basketballs with a flatter surface than that :-p

[Colin]

<br><br><< <i>Okay, just checking. I've seen basketballs with a flatter surface than that :-p</i> >><br><br>Well that's a creative one! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>Actually I've had this NEC MultiSync 95 since 99 I think... It has served me well, perhaps it is time to retire it.<BR><BR>Hey, what does this have to do with P4 overclocking?!? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0">

[Avid6eek]

If you ran an Athlon XP you wouldn't need to overclock to get decent performance out of your CPU

[Colin]

<br><br><< <i>If you ran an Athlon XP you wouldn't need to overclock to get decent performance out of your CPU </i> >><br><br>Bah! Overclocking is fun! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> Hehe, I should change your title to Intel Hater! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

[Avid6eek]

Intel Hater? The fact that I run AMD is why I'm the "shiznit"

[Colin]

Maybe I should call you AMD Zealot then! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

[danny16866]

<br><br><< <i> still have and amd 1.2 t-bird somewhere around here.............. </i> >><br><br><BR><BR>that was my old proc befor i upgraded to the "monster"<BR>

[Colin]

Monster fits very well! That's one fast system you have there!<BR><BR>Haha, you're right though the 8500 seems out of place! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

[danny16866]

I like both<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

[danny16866]

Yea i know.......Im Still savin for a new video card<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif" border="0">

[Avid6eek]

Intel 3.06Ghz.....talk about a waste of money. I could get 3 Athlon XP 2400s, and an XP 2000 for that amount money :-).....or if i was really smart, I could have gotten an Athlon XP 2700 (333fsb) and a Radeon 9700 PRO for the same amound as that P4.

[Colin]

Shiznit, if you want maximum performance at the moment, you can't beat an Intel setup. Intel rigs have other advantages that AMD systems don't have too. <br><br><< <i>Yea i know.......Im Still savin for a new video card </i> >><br><br> danny16866 just hang around here! We'll be giving away some videocards very soon in the forum! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

[Avid6eek]

I was just saying that if he went with the Athlon XP 2700 and a Radeon 9700 PRO (which he could have right now if he didn't get the newest P4) He (at the moment) would have a much faster computer.<BR><BR>....and video cards??? What kind??? I could use a Radeon 9700 PRO myself. My Geforce 4, although fast, still shutters in UT2003 during some sceens. HOOK ME UP COLIN!!!

[Colin]

<br><br><< <i>I was just saying that if he went with the Athlon XP 2700 and a Radeon 9700 PRO (which he could have right now if he didn't get the newest P4) He (at the moment) would have a much faster computer. </i> >><br><br>No, he would have a system that gamed a bit better. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> One thing I love about Intel rigs are, they're much easier to make quiet even when overclocking. When I was using an AthlonXP 2000+ (at stock) with a Swiftech MC462A I still had to use a 43CFM Sunon which was relatively loud. <br><br><< <i>....and video cards??? What kind??? I could use a Radeon 9700 PRO myself. My Geforce 4, although fast, still shutters in UT2003 during some sceens. HOOK ME UP COLIN!!! </i> >><br><br> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> You guys will just have to wait and see. We have a few more pressing issues to deal with first, but once the dust settles I should have more details for you guys. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

[Avid6eek]

<br><br><< <i>You guys will just have to wait and see. We have a few more pressing issues to deal with first, but once the dust settles I should have more details for you guys.</i> >><br><br> <BR><BR>The most pressing issue you have is finding a faster server to host this website on. There are times where the first page takes over a minute to load. I occasonally have slow downs in the forum as well. This server must be Intel <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

[Colin]

<br><br><< <i>The most pressing issue you have is finding a faster server to host this website on. There are times where the first page takes over a minute to load. I occasonally have slow downs in the forum as well. This server must be Intel </i> >><br><br>Yes, that's one of the issues that we'll be addressing first. We'll be moving our servers to another hosting facility so hopefully the slowdowns will go away.<BR><BR>Haha, ya the servers are Intel, a bit old though. I think they're Dell Poweredge servers dual P3 933's.

[Avid6eek]

It's nice to know that is gonig to be taken care of. Lately it seems to be worse than it used to be. Sometimes I get the message the page is not there and have to try agian. Why don't you host the website at your house????

[Colin]

I know what you mean, the load times just drive me nuts. It also drives away readers, I know I don't much patience when it comes to slow websites. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> <br><br><< <i>Why don't you host the website at your house???? </i> >><br><br> Haha, it's way <b>too expensive</b> for that type of thing! Plus, PCStats is actually much bigger then it looks. Sites our size usually have a well developed forum already, but unfortunately we've neglected that part for the last little while. That's going to change now though, building a strong and well knit community is one of my goals this year! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

[Colin]

I don't really forsee AMD retaking the speed crown any time soon. Perhaps the Barton will be able to challange but Intel will be able to respond very quickly after. <br><br><< <i>Quick question for ya....how do you justify the price of the 3.06Ghz P4 considering that if you were to sit down on my system, you would see no difference in performance? </i> >><br><br>danny16866's system <b>would</b> be faster then yours Shiznit. In any application that requires a lot of bandwidth (like Pro 3d graphics, database work, etc) his rig may even walk circles around your AthlonXP 2400+. In apps like word processing and internet surfing his again would be faster, but the margin would be much smaller because latency is more important and that's where a longer pipeline suffers.<BR><BR>To be totally honest, as a company AMD is much more "likeable" as they seem to listen to their consumers. I know I like AMD as a company more then I like Intel because Intel seems more arrogant.<BR><BR>Intel however is the more innovative of the two. They're usually first to introduce new technology from CPU care to actual core enhancements. Yes AMD's hammer is the first processor to incorporate x86-64 technology but we'll have to wait and see if that will be successful. The best technology if it's unsupported is still useless.<BR><BR>Remember one thing guys, <b>neither company loves you</b> they're only trying to make $$$.

[Avid6eek]

<br><br><< <i>danny16866's system would be faster then yours Shiznit. In any application that requires a lot of bandwidth (like Pro 3d graphics, database work, etc) his rig may even walk circles around your AthlonXP 2400+. In apps like word processing and internet surfing his again would be faster, but the margin would be much smaller because latency is more important and that's where a longer pipeline suffers.</i> >><br><br><BR><BR>First of all I'd like to mention that 95% of the people in this forum use their computers for Internet/Gaming. So lets completely take your Pro 3D Graphics (CAD) and database work and throw it out the window because it doesn't apply to our situation. I'm sure we all use Word Processing and Internet explorer. These are not two areas where I wouldn't start arguing about the performance of a CPU. I know very well that if I go the launch these two programs, they are up and ready to run before I even clicking on the Icon. I know you are talking about all your benchmarks whether it be content creation, or the all important 3D Mark, but what matters is real world performance.<BR><BR>I also like your comment about walking circles around my rig. That is being a little loose with words. His rig can walk circles around a Pentium, a PII, and even a PIII in most applications. It has to be able to do something Many times faster before you can start making comments like that. I know that is how you Intel fans work. When you feel threatened you just pump up the Mhz, and all the ************************ talking until you start to feel better about your position. That's okay, all of us more educated AMD fans know that Mhz mean nothing, and your arguments mean even less <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Have a nice day <BR>

[Colin]

You know what, you're right Shiznit I may have went overboard on that one. <BR><BR>I know you're very PRO AMD and that's fine, but you have to be a bit more open minded as well. Yes, there is an MHz myth, but there is also an IPC myth as well. The way AMD is portraying IPC, that sounds way more important then anything else. You need a combination of both in order to get good performance.<BR><BR>I hated the P4 core when it first came out 2 years ago, but to be honest, Intel has delivered what they said. Remember, right from the beginning Intel stated that the P4 core needs high MHz to perform well and I would say the P4 is a pretty good chip now.

[Avid6eek]

Actually, I am very open minded. I do give in to the fact that Intel has the fastest CPU right now, but I still don't like Intel. It really isn't the CPU I hate, it's more of the company I hate. They try to boss everyone in the semiconductor business around.

[Colin]

<br><br><< <i>Actually, I am very open minded. I do give in to the fact that Intel has the fastest CPU right now, but I still don't like Intel. It really isn't the CPU I hate, it's more of the company I hate. They try to boss everyone in the semiconductor business around. </i> >><br><br>Ya, I'll agree with you on that one. Intel is way too arrogant, I don't like their practices much either.<BR><BR>I guess when one is on the top, it gets to their heads and ego very quickly. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

[Avid6eek]

True...kinda like forum administators. When you go against what they like, they tell you to be "open minded" <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

[Colin]

? I have no idea what you're talking about! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"> <BR><BR>But, I gotta finish a bit of work now...

[Avid6eek]

What you need to work on is getting that rash taken care of....and that brings one questions to mind....how does nasty know about it???<BR><BR>....hmmmm

[Colin]

<br><br><< <i>What you need to work on is getting that rash taken care of....and that brings one questions to mind....how does nasty know about it??? </i> >><br><br>!!! Geez, I was hoping ppl forgot aobut that! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> <BR><BR>My relationship to NaSTy is plutonic... Now I guess. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

[Canadian-Guy]

jeez...I feel bad about my rig since I'm thinking about upgrading to the hardware you guys are using as paperweights lol

[Avid6eek]

Whever your looking to upgrade Hardware let me know because I sell a lot of my old stuff on ebay....well, it's not really old, it's just not as fast as I'd like it, but it's still pretty close to new. Upgrades of mine coming soon:<BR><BR>New Monitor<BR>New Video Card<BR>New RAM

[Colin]

<br><br><< <i>jeez...I feel bad about my rig since I'm thinking about upgrading to the hardware you guys are using as paperweights lol </i> >><br><br>Canadian-Guy your rig is perfectly fine! It does the job right? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

[Canadian-Guy]

Yeah it does the job...slowly, and I'll be looking out for that ram on ebay

[CompSnake]

hey Shiznit, im gettin the same mobo as you<BR>colin tells me its desent, does it treat you well?<BR>

[CompSnake]

Shiznit how much would you want for the ram?

[Canadian-Guy]

I'm interested in that 512 megs of pc2100 ram too, its exactly why i'm looking for

[IOU]

Shiznit and Colin have valid points . But it's the consumer that makes the choice and what really will rule the Roost is the Cpu that give you best bang for your buck (My PC)..............................best benchmarker possible(Colins PC )..................................or whatever the salesman wants ya to have (Wifes Sister PC Lowend Pc Store MoneyMaker) . But no matter what machine we get now we have to upgrade for one reason or another. So all I say is Choose the right product to do what ya need . <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Shiznit I want some (12feet)of that 1/4 inch loom in aqua color <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

[Avid6eek]

Yes, that motherboard treats me very well. I have never had any stabiltiy problems, and it looks kewl as hell. As for the RAM....I don't have a set price...make and offer and I'll see what I can do for you <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

[Colin]

Hey guys <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://bbs.pcstats.com/pcstats/categories.cfm?catid=72">The PCStats Market</a> is open!!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"> If want to buy or sell stuff, post your threads there! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

[CompSnake]

100$

[IOU]

$1000<BR><img src="http://members.lycos.co.uk/csmo/Forum/IOU/New_Home.JPG"><BR><img src="http://members.lycos.co.uk/csmo/Forum/IOU/tis_blue.JPG"><BR><BR>Need some really good close ups.

[CHE]

It would be really cool except for the "Canadian Bad Boy," that pretty much blows it. Peel that off and try something else.

[Colin]

<br><br><< <i>It would be really cool except for the "Canadian Bad Boy," that pretty much blows it. Peel that off and try something else.</i> >><br><br>Bah, don't listen to that trouble maker CHE! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

[slickshoes]

whats this??!?! free video cards? by any chance do u guys give away free amd xp chips. i really need a new chip im still saving for one, but for now i have to run a 1.2ghz athlon. the place i ordered it from just gave me a false 266mhz fsb athlon: its real bus speed is 200. sucks i found this out a year later :

[Colin]

We haven't decided what to give away yet...<BR><BR>slickshoes just lower your multiplier and raise the FSB, that would solve your problem. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

[ounagi]

I wouldn't mind some free goodies either <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"><BR>

[Canadian-Guy]

Moi aussi <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

[pad07]

if it come to free, note me in <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> cause i really need upgrades badly <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>BTW how i change this weird Numbers<BR><BR><b>||3//|3</b>

[Colin]

<br><br><< <i><b>||3//|3</b></i> >><br><br>pad07 you need to post more! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> That's your user title and it will chnage the more posts you have. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

[pad07]

ok<BR><BR>i was asking because i saw your's and pimpins's was different <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <BR>and i don't post more because i'm 56k right now, a thunder brunt my ADSL modem or router i don't really now how to call it now because, i've been calling it router, but then i read an article somewhere and now i'm a bit confused <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0"> about how to call it

[Avid6eek]

Once you get over 1,000 good posts, we'll (any moderator) will work on getting your saying under your name to be whatever you want. You just have to stick around for a while.

[PCgeek]

Hello people I'm new here. I have a <font color="green" size="3"><b><u>REALLY OLD PC</u></b></font> (AMD K6/2 550 mhz, 256 Mb sdRAM, All in wonder 128 32MB vid card, cheapo Maxtor 40 Gb HD) <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif" border="0"> and I need some upgrades so if u people have any freebies or cheap stuff please let me know.

[PCgeek]

btw, I need help with a network. Since ur all a smart group please go to the "Help with network!!!" thread in the Hardware discussion forum.

[mrbios]

oooook i fryed a P2 through tryin to overclock it to far will the mobo still work if a CPU's been fryed in it <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> hehe i never done that befoer might ave to do it again <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif" border="0">

[consilium]

why does that dude need all the cd roms in his case? god whats the point, to look good? lol sorry but it looks stupid.

[Wolfgang]

Dont knock the P4s shiz, yeah you're right about $$$$. But the P4#.#c will overlock like nobodies business! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

[PimpMySystem]

wolfang is right i dont stand beyond anybody i just go for better speed and powah !!!
|| True...kinda like forum administators. When you go against what they like, they tell you to be "open minded" || i dont think thats what he intended he just wanted to say that you dont have to stick around something if you can get better. and about the $$$ thing he said as well he's right if AMD gets something thats has fast ad intel or faster and better to O/C i would emidialtly wait for the price to drop really and at last I know that is how you Intel fans work. When you feel threatened you just pump up the Mhz, and all the ************************ talking until you start to feel better about your position who are you to talk about people you dont know one bit or met are like i hope your ashamed of that post really i do know people that talk in the same way but i dont think they are psycich or something so i hope you regret that part !!!and same for the admin part !!!
greetz,
PIMP

[§hinoßi]

wow, this thread is 27 years old, why would you reply lol

[PimpMySystem]

27 ???? your kidding

[Nova]

no it is, this things so old shiz was prolly still one of those itnelfanboys at that intel site :p hell maybe the next time someone replies to this thread intell will be long dead