Colin, you should be happy about this...

[Avid6eek]

Increasing Transistor density should happen according quicker and quicker now that AMD has started with giving CPU's more functions that just that of processing (mem controller and all). I still think my estimate may be a little high. There is no way there will be 10+Ghz CPU's in 2005. If there are, they will be all Mhz, and no performance. They will perform on par with AMDs 3Ghz processors

[DeanLowe]

From the inquirer:<BR><BR><a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7481">10.20GHz Intel Nehalem slated for 2005</a><BR><BR>From x-bit labs:<BR><BR><a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/story.html?id=1043877052">Intel’s i875P and i865P/PE/G with ICH5 Pricing Revealed</a>

[Colin]

<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Yes, I am happy about it!<BR><BR>Goooooooo INTEL! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

[Joe]

MMmm ... give me one <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>what kind of cooling will theset things need? lol <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">

[Colin]

<< <i>what kind of cooling will theset things need? lol <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"></i> >><BR><BR>Pimpin Joe, it's Intel! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> I'm sure they'll have they'd have all thermal problems solved by the time the chip comes out! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <BR><BR>Native support for RAID in the ICH5! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Nice Intel! Canterwood is going to cost a lot though! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0">

[Joe]

i am just waiting for computers with real brains in them man <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">

[Colin]

<br><br><< <i>i am just waiting for computers with real brains in them man <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"></i> >><br><br>But once computers have AI, they'll do a Terminator or Matrix type thing to us! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

[Joe]

<br><br><< <i><< <i>i am just waiting for computers with real brains in them man <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"></i> >><BR><BR>But once computers have AI, they'll do a Terminator or Matrix type thing to us! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"></i> >><br><br><BR><BR>who cares, as long as tehy pull atleast 1000fps in UT i will be happy <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> lol

[Avid6eek]

For some reason I don't think Intel will make 10.2Ghz in only 2 years. That is way ahead of Moore's law, and we're not even keeping up to that anymore. By 2005 my estimate would be between 6-7.0Ghz.

[Colin]

<br><br><< <i><< <i><< <i>i am just waiting for computers with real brains in them man <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"></i> >><BR><BR>But once computers have AI, they'll do a Terminator or Matrix type thing to us! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"></i> >><BR><BR><BR><BR>who cares, as long as tehy pull atleast 1000fps in UT i will be happy <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> lol</i> >><br><br>Haha... I'm more of a quake addict myself. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> <br><br><< <i>For some reason I don't think Intel will make 10.2Ghz in only 2 years. That is way ahead of Moore's law, and we're not even keeping up to that anymore. By 2005 my estimate would be between 6-7.0Ghz</i> >><br><br>it's very difficult to predict the future... Heck we can't even guess what's coming out next year let alone two years from now! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0">

[DeanLowe]

<br><br><< <i>For some reason I don't think Intel will make 10.2Ghz in only 2 years. That is way ahead of Moore's law, and we're not even keeping up to that anymore. By 2005 my estimate would be between 6-7.0Ghz.</i> >><br><br><BR><BR>Well, Gordon Moore founded Intel so I'm sure he can make an exception and bend his law in this case<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">.<BR><BR>LOL<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"><BR><BR>But seriously, Moore's Law is about transistor density on integrated circuits and not about CPU speed.

[DeanLowe]

I can just image the kind of cooling AMD will have to include with a 3GHz+ CPU. Mini fridges for everyone...to cool your AMD CPUs and your beer.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">

[Avid6eek]

The AMD Athlon 64 2400 runs a lot cooler than the Pentium 4 2.2Ghz. Higher performance, lower temps. There's a first for an AMD Processor. AMD will now have the cool systems, and Intel owners will be ******************************in their systems run hot <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <BR><BR>By the time these systems start heating up at the end of next year with the Athlon 64 4000+, AMD will be switching to the .09 micron process. Hopefully it will go over better than the T-Bred A.

[Colin]

Guys! This is an Intel thread, away with the AMD talk! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

[roy]

Bah, speed and more speed. If you want some real speed, pop some methamphetamines.<BR><BR>I think AMD and Intel should calm down with the speed race and work on making their chips generate much less heat. Worrying about cooling is annoying and just adds noise and cost to the overall system. Or is that impossible/too difficult?

[Colin]

<br><br><< <i>I think AMD and Intel should calm down with the speed race and work on making their chips generate much less heat. Worrying about cooling is annoying and just adds noise and cost to the overall system. Or is that impossible/too difficult?</i> >><br><br>Actually roy this year, Intel and AMD are going to move at a slower pace in terms of overall CPU speed. <BR><BR>Intel does not really have the thermal problems AMD processors have, but AMD being a much smaller company cannot dedicated as many engineers to solving thermal issues... Teh Hammer should run much cooler so that's good news. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">