The race continues...

[DeanLowe]

I just got a DLT3C JIUHB earlier today. As some of you know I also have a DUT3C JIUHB.<BR><BR>Place you bets guys and gals. Which would you bet on being the faster chip?<BR><BR><img src="http://members.lycos.co.uk/deanl0we/CPUs/2JIUHB.jpg"><BR><BR><img src="http://members.lycos.co.uk/deanl0we/CPUs/1700DUT3C.jpg"><img src="http://members.lycos.co.uk/deanl0we/CPUs/1700DLT3C.jpg">

[DeanLowe]

By the way, anyone keeping track of who's leading our race?<BR><BR>Is it Bam! with his 2.4GHz(12X200FSB) or has someone passed?

[BAM!]

i got it up to 2.42 stable... altho for everyday use i just run it at 2.4. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> see how well those two of yours can do. i say the DLT3C will do better than the UT3C

[Viper409]

<br><br><< <i>i say the DLT3C will do better than the DUT3C</i> >><br><br><BR><BR>I would have to agree.

[Brucifer]

Yup those dlt3c's rock.

[DeanLowe]

Right right.<BR><BR>The DLT3C is faster. I got it up to 11X217FSB so far on a NF7-S 2.0.<BR><BR>With the DUT3C, the best i could do was 10.5X220FSB.

[killas1moBrandt]

where can i pick up one for the best price (us moola) and whats the best board to run on<BR><BR>I figure that a 1700 and a new board for it would be cheaper than a 3000 and the asus a7n8x board i wanted to get<BR><BR><BR>i really want to overclock but still want to stay air cooled<BR><BR>thanks<BR>

[BAM!]

i think newegg sells their OEM 1700+ for $50. it seems like they're JIUHBs but without guarenteed stepping, batchcode and dates. so you're just gonna have to play with your luck. sites like excaliberpc.com gameve.com sell them with guarenteed stepping but somewhat more expensive. $10 -$20 more. tho, personally to me if a processor is under $90 it really doesn't matter.

[DeanLowe]

At 11X220FSB now. The PC Mark 2002 score is almost as fast as my Barton at the same speed.<BR><BR><a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1336367">Barton 2398MHz (11X218FSB) - CPU: 7458 Mem: 6651 HDD: 495.</a><BR><a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1352223">T'bred 2420MHz (11X220FSB) - CPU: 7429 Mem: 6135 HDD: 597.</a><BR>

[GNXtreme]

Brandt, to answer your quesiton about the boards both Dean and BAM! are using the asus board and rithemking was using the abit...all 3 of them seem to be getting similar scores.

[DeanLowe]

Most of the earlier nForce2 board have a FSB limit at around 200MHz. The C1 step or 400/Ultra400 have that limit raised to about 230MHz or so. Performance is very simular. So, you should buy based on features and quality/reliablity and service/support.

[DeanLowe]

Well, got it up to 2427MHz now.

[GNXtreme]

HUAH Dean!!!&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR><BR>good job!

[BAM!]

so you want a cookie??<BR><BR>jk <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">>.. very nice dean. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> just ab out 7 mhz higher than my max <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">

[FTO]

cool, hey isn't your hdd score kinda low...

[TranceJunkieXL]

LOL FTO, he's already told us he doesn't feel like formating/defragging one drive to increase the HDD score. He needs it to store all that p0rn. LOL!

[BAM!]

yeah!... never mess wit that man's porn! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

[DeanLowe]

I'm getting a new drive.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

[Canadian-Guy]

Sweet lord! He's overflowing with porn and other bodily fluids!

[TranceJunkieXL]

<br><br><< <i>I'm getting a new drive.</i> >><br><br>LMAO! Just another one to load up and frag.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">

[FTO]

<br><br><< <i><< <i>I'm getting a new drive.</i> >><BR><BR>LMAO! Just another one to load up and frag.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"></i> >><br><br><BR><BR>lol, i know how it feels....hdds fill up sooooo fast. So what speed are you at now Dean?

[Ginsu543]

Man, I just got a 1700+ DUT3C JIUHB 0312 from Newegg.com and I can get it stable only upto 2.26 GHz. I was hoping for at least 2.3 GHz and I know some of you have even hit 2.4 GHz.<BR><BR>Any ideas how I can push this cpu a bit more? I've tried many, many different combinations of mult x fsb but 11 x 205 is the highest I can get stable.

[GNXtreme]

If you are going for high clock speeds try lowering your fsb and upping the multiplier.

[Ginsu543]

Which of the following would give a faster overall system performance?<BR><BR>1) 13 x 177 = 2301 MHz<BR>2) 12 x 192 = 2304 MHz<BR>3) 11 x 209 = 2299 MHz<BR>4) 10 x 230 = 2300 MHz

[Ginsu543]

Well, it seems 11.5 x 197.5 MHz is the fastest it will go (for now). That gives me 2.27 GHz. I'm still a bit disappointed... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">

[TranceJunkieXL]

You will notice faster performance with a higher FSB. Try 10x230, but are you sure your OCSystem PC3200 will clock that high? You may need to change your timings from 5-3-3-2 to 6-3-3-2 to get that high. Were you able to get your other CPU to OC that far Ginsu?<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0"><BR>Sorry, I tried to post this earlier but that jerkoff script kiddie was launching another DOS and it wouldn't post.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif" border="0">

[Ginsu543]

hey rithem,<BR><BR>Man, I can't get this cpu higher than 11.5 x 197.5 = 2.27 GHz. I did try higher FSB, and the highest my OCSystem PC3200 will go is 205 MHz. I did have my computer at 11 x 205 = 2.26 GHz, but I did have to raise timings to 6-3-3-2. Which setup do you think is faster overall? 198 MHz at 5-3-3-2 or 205 MHz at 6-3-3-2?

[TranceJunkieXL]

LOL. Best way to test that is to compare the 3DMark and PCMark scores. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> I'd definitely recommend some better RAM Ginsu. I couldn't seem to break 16K on my SOYO (damn VIA chipset) until I raised my GEILs timings from 2-6-3-3 stock to 2-6-2-2. That netted me more than 300 points. I can't wait until the NF7-S gets back so I can see what overclocking my 2800+ will do for the score.<BR>BTW, do you use MSN or AIM? I'd really love to chat sometime. My AIM is rithemking01 and that's my Yahoo address as well. For MSN it's just rithemking (hotmail address).

[Ginsu543]

Don't I wish I had the money to invest in new ram, LOL!!! Besides, with the JIUHB I got, I really think I've reached its theoretical limit around 2.27 GHz. I'm running FSB below 400 MHz and it won't oc beyond that point. So, I'm not sure if getting better ram will help me (no point in improving my ram if my cpu can't keep up). I might go back to 11 x 205 because they seem to give me higher scores on benchmarks. But I've been having trouble with Netscape (this program just doesn't seem to like overclocking), which sometimes will make my computer freeze at 100% cpu usage. It's really weird because it's not like the computer freezes. I can still do everything like normal. But my cpu will be at 100% usage and it won't budge, no matter what programs I close. When that happens, my Windows will not shut down properly either. What's confusing is that it's such a random event that I don't know what exactly causes it. I'm wondering if it happens because I'm pushing the ram too hard. It seems to happen more often at 11 x 205 then 11.5 x 197. I'll just have to go back and forth and fool around with it.<BR><BR>As far as chatting with you, I'm totally up for that. I'm on aim and Ginsu543 is my sn.

[Ginsu543]

Update:<BR><BR>By upping the NB voltage to 1.7 V, I was able to raise FSB 1 MHz to 198 MHz. That gives me 11.5 x 198 = 2.28 GHz. Drive it to the max, baby!!!

[TranceJunkieXL]

Sorry I missed you. I had AIM signed on the HP which doesn't have speakers and the monitor was off. LOL.<BR>Anyhow, have you tried using one of the higher multipliers just to see what the max is on your CPU?<BR>I haven't ever heard anything great about OCSystem's RAM. In fact, usually the opposite. Anyway, the PC3200 is only guaranteed 400FSB, so anything more (410?) is really more than what you paid for.<BR>Is it just Netscape that is freezing? When you have it running that OC, can you run Prime95 through at least 24 sets without it errorring out? If it errors out then the OC is not stable and you need to back it down a little.

[Ginsu543]

No prob, rithem!<BR><BR>I've tried different combinations of mult x fsb, and my cpu won't load windows at 11.5 x 200 = 2300. I started working incrementally down from there. I've tried using 11 x 200+ MHz and also 11.5 x 196+ MHz. Basically, this particular cpu seems to top out near 2.26~2.28 MHz. Right now I'm trying out 11.5 x 198 and I'm not sure it's too stable. I have tried 11.5 x 197 = 2.27 GHz and it ran Prime95 for a good 30 min (I think it could have gone on for a while but I got bored). The programs I seem to be having problems with is Netscape and LCDC (to drive my Matrix Orbital LCD display). At first I thought it was the LCDC, so I disabled for a while, but I still occasionally got frozen at 100% cpu usage. I'm thinking that it's probably Netscape because when I oc'd before with my AIUHB 2100+, sometimes when I set the settings that the cpu didn't like, Netscape would not load and give me an error message. I'm pretty sure that if I got better ram, I could get it more stable. But if my cpu is limited to 2.27 GHz, then I don't really see the point of spending near $200 to make it stable at that speed. I think I'll just tone it down to 2.25 GHz or something and quit while I'm ahead (a 2800+ out of a 1700+ ain't bad). I'm just a little disappointed because I was hoping for 2.3+ GHz like some of the other guys here are getting. So far, my $45 lottery/investment hasn't panned out since I was already getting 2.25 GHz out of my AIUHB. I was hoping to squeeze out 50 MHz or so more out of my JIUHB.<BR><BR>I am a bit perplexed with the Netscape thing because my computer doesn't freeze per se. I can do everything like normal (accessing the web, running programs, etc.), but the cpu usage shoots up to 100% and gets locked there, no matter what I do. I've never heard of a program doing that when it crashes. Have you heard of anything like that happening to other people? If it just crashed and froze up the computer (so nothing happens) I would understand it better.

[Ginsu543]

Hey rithem,<BR><BR>Update on my Netscape/LCDC problem. I think I was getting that because I overclocked the ram to above 400 MHz. Man, my crappy OCSystem ram!!! I should have done more research before I bought them. I've got my system set to 11.5 x 197 now, and I haven't had a 100% cpu usage lockup yet. The jury is still out, but the evidence seems overwhelming.

[TranceJunkieXL]

Have you tried running it with only one of those sticks of RAM yet? I didn't realize you were running a full Gig on that system. You might also try upping the RAM voltage from 2.7 to 2.8 or 2.9 for a bit to see if that helps. I know my GEIL likes running under higher voltages.

[Ginsu543]

I'll give it a try. As for raising ram voltage, the Abit BIOS only allows up to 2.7 V.

[TranceJunkieXL]

Do you have the latest BIOS? I know your Abit is rev 1.0, but my rev 2.0 allowed up to 2.9v on the RAM (2.6 stock, right?).

[Ginsu543]

Yeah, I do have the latest BIOS (v 1.9) and it goes only up to 2.7 V. I tried running only one stick of ram, and it didn't help at all. In fact, it gave lower 3DMark2001SE scores. So I put my second stick back in. I'm still having some stability problems. Even 11.5 x 197 is giving me trouble now. I've gone down to 11.5 x 196, 11.5 x 195, and now I'm trying 11 x 205 again.

[Ginsu543]

One thing I didn't take into account is the heat!!! It's like 100+F today so my system is running really hot. I've backed off the oc a bit to 11.5 x 195.

[TranceJunkieXL]

Ambient heat will definitely be a huge factor. Say. sign on AIM and we'll chat. Sorry to hear your OC isn't that great.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

[Ginsu543]

Oh, well, that's the luck of the draw, I guess. I just wish I knew about the JIUHB before I bought my AIUHB. I'm getting the same overclock for half the price! And I thought I was getting a bargain when I bought the AIUHB, LOL!!!

[omga14]

i have my 1700+ jiuhb dut3tc 312 doing 2.288ghz right now with the settings at 11x208. you can check my sig for the timings on memory and all. is this good for my t-bred? my temp on the spftware that comes from epox with the mobo says cpu temp 41C. is that too hot and should i back down. i have the volcano 7 for the cpu.

[Ginsu543]

Good job, omga!<BR><BR>Your temps are fine. I'm running 45C~50C, now that it's summertime. All that matters is how stable your computer is. Do you have Prime95? If not, then definitely download it. If your computer can run Prime95 more than 24 reiterations, then it's pretty stable. If not, then you should back off a little from your present oc until you get a setup that can run stable.<BR><BR>Your oc of 2.288 is a good overclock. If you think about it, that's an overclock of 818 MHz!!! Not bad for a $50 chip. Any overclock over 800 MHz is considered excellent. I'm just a bit disappointed because I only got 787 MHz out of mine. Then again, I might be able to push it a bit more if I had better ram. I bought these cr@ppy OCSystem ram before I knew about pcstats.com. I just didn't know any better... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

[omga14]

thanks Ginsu. i'm trying to get to 2.4g. I have corairs xms pc3200cas2 but as you see by my sig i also have some standard pc2700. i'm just using it for the memory but i'm looking to get another stick of the the xms 512mb again. then upgrade the HSF. i'll get back to you when i down load the prime 95 and see how far i can go with this current setup.

[Ginsu543]

omga,<BR><BR>Are you running both the pc2700 and the pc3200 ram at the same time? If so, then both sticks will run at the *lower* speed of pc2700. That may be the thing that's slowing you down. I say either pull out that pc2700 or go buy that pc3200 ram.

[omga14]

right now i'm being as patient as i can be until i can pick up another stick of 512mb cosair like i already have. after that i plan on getting whatever is the best HSF for the amd chips and go for gold. i don't trust the water cooling systems cause of water and electronics. i know it's all about distilled water being non-conductive cause i work with electronics but if something should fail and that water gets out of the controled environment......what the fireworks baby. by the way what is the best HSF for the amd chips?

[Ginsu543]

As I wrote in your other thread, I think the best hsf for the amd is the SLK-800. Check out the other thread.

[omga14]

playing around with the toy today got me these current figures. don't want to make them a part of my sig till i run it like this for a while and don't get any hangups. ran sandra and pcmark and came out fine. <BR>cpu is at 2.36gig (11.5x206)<BR>mem is running at 2x171

[omga14]

my pcmark scores.<BR>cpu: 7171<BR>memory: 4725<BR>hdd: 611

[Ginsu543]

It looks like from your results that you are running your cpu and ram asynchronously. For better overall system performance, I recommend you pull out your stick of pc2700 (you really don't need more than 512 MB ram for most current applications) and run your ram and cpu synchronously at 2 x 206 = 412 MHz. Your Corsair XMS mem and Epox mobo can probably handle the high FSB.<BR><BR>Man, how come you can get all the way up to 2.36 GHz when I can't even break 2.3 GHz? Seeing green, man, seeing green... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0"><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

[GNXtreme]

Ginsu....you think you are seeing green....I can't even get my 1700 to break 2.0....of course it is only an AIRGA and I think my ram is holding me back but it runs pretty good @ 1.98GHz...I think a 500MHz OC is pretty good....