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TranceJunkieXL

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

90C is unreal. Have you updated your BIOS? There have been a few threads (GNXtreme I think) started about a temperature reading fix that was included in a newer BIOS. If your HS is cool to the touch then it isn't transferring heat from the CPU properly. My Swiftech MCX462+ is quite warm with the CPU running 2.438, even with a Vantech Tornado blowing at 5k+ rpms constantly. My video coolers are even hotter to the touch. and what do you mean when you overclock a little it goes to 0 degrees and doesn't run? Are you saying it won't post?<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0"> I'm not understanding some of what you have said in this thread.

3DGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

im a litle confussed still theres that one saying its runing at 35 degrees celcious whre as the bios says 80 decrees C (i know the diff between F and C) but thing is now the heatsing fan is temperature controlled on teh maual is says if it goes up to 75 degrees C it will go at 5500 rpm say at 60 it will be at 3500-4000 etc rpm anyone know if the EpoX 8K3a mobo can take a 2400XP??? chip it says it can take up to 266 FSB and the 2400 is 266 but in teh manual im sure it said up to 2000xp anymore help on that matter? think my 1800 is screewed<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> anyone want to offer me money for this abnormal cpu and if they use liquid nitrogen and get the temp down to 30 lol theyd be laughing as then they can over clock the hell out of it and get back up to 90+ degrees C and stable<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

3DGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Right where the start, righty for starters ive never been able to run this CPU at even its default speed of 1.555 Ghz only running at 1.255 i think other wise programs in windows lock up or when you turn the computer on cup temp is 0 degrees and doesnt load windows. ive just bought a new fan bear in mind these fans Are monsters and loud lol my ols one should have easily cooled the cpu down but i always got the cpu temp at 90-99 Degrees Centigrade!!!! Case temp 30. when trying to run at 1.555 ghz it just crashes bascailyl adn refuses to load im wondering why on earth is my cpu running so high ?? in temperature and i really want to get more mhz out of this like that 1700XP chip at 2.5 ghz was thiknig about getting a 2400Xp chip but rather try getting power out of this one and at least unning at its normaly speed first lol if you need my system spec just ask and i'll fill it in PS guys and over clocker Guru's need advice chears chris

TranceJunkieXL

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Welcome to PCStats 3DGuy!<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> System specs would make it a whole lot easier to pinpoint a cause for all your grief. Is the 1800+ a Thoroughbred or Palomino core? And your new fan, is it a case fan or a CPU fan (loud=Vantec Tornados?)? Have you checked the HSF to be sure it is properly seated on the CPU? What are you using between the fan and HSF? Thermal grease, Arctic Silver II, etc?

3DGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Ok Spec is this Windows 2k Pro Amd XP1800+ 2 x Kingston 512 meg DDR PC2100 80 Gig Maxtor Hard Drive D540X 80.0GB UDMA100 120 Gig Maxtor hard Drive Ati Fire GL8800 128 Workstation Graphics Card Pinnacle DV Plus Capture Out Put Card Lucent Firewire 2/3 Port PCI On Board Sound AC90 i think Creative Soundblaster 128 Soundcard I used the Silicone Compund (New Heat sink supplied it) its a Volcano 11 Xavier by Thermaltake Replaced my Spreeze 2x 15 Inch TFT Monitors by Relysis Raid Controler Card 52x Cd Drive 16x 48x 12x Cd-Rw 16x Dvd Drive3Com Lan card Creative I-Trigue Speakers and Sub EasyPen G6 USB Graphic Tablet Intellimouse Explorer Standard 105 key Keyboard by the way ive solved the limited speed the Jumper on teh Motherboard was set on 100 as default cahnged that and can run at 1.560 ghz now but as the temp is still high runs fora bit then its crashed once on me thats temp i looked at in teh bios and when cop loaded was 90 degrees centigrade + system temp 30 so iknow its not that hot in there because even taking the side pannel off doesnt make any difference any ideas would be apreciated <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> btw i put teh Dec speed up to 140<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"> to try it and said amd 1900Xp<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> id like a lot more speed out of this chip if u can get it for me guys:0 and seen as though its run its life at 90 id say there a lot of room for increased over clcoking for you lucky people at lower temps lol thansx again chris

TranceJunkieXL

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< any ideas would be apreciated btw i put teh Dec speed up to 140 to try it and said amd 1900Xp id like a lot more speed out of this chip if u can get it for me guys:0 and seen as though its run its life at 90 id say there a lot of room for increased over clcoking for you lucky people at lower temps lol thansx again >> So you've managed to overclock a little. I strongly recommend you get some arctic silver 2 or arctic ceramique (better) and try reseating the HSF with that between the core and heat sink. That stock grease is garbage. 90C is way too high to run it on a regular basis, especially since AMD has designated 85C as the burn mark (too high).

3DGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

well its been running at 90 degrees C since ive had it over a year and a half now i dont know why its that hot at all its got a Mother of a fan on it by Spreeze then ive just bought that new Volcano 11 to try and gett hte temp down and just is not working yea i had a fiddle and it said 1900 XP <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> loaded then it decided after a lil while didnt like it i dont understand the ramand v core bits so all i did was cahge the dec number btw also it says on teh start up screen FSB 200 lol or when over clocekd like 220 i hear u guys tlaking about 133 mines higher too in teh bios says 133 though and i got multiplier options ip to 17 i think but i dont thikn they worked past 11.5 unless know hoe to unlock but what i still dont get is the CPus temperature :S that volcano heat sink is cold as anything to tougch a lil warm maybe so it is toutching the processor and as its a new heat sink its been re postiions i have no i dea i want my cpu cold lol <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"> and u guys complaing at 40 degrees lol u could over clock and be fine up to 90 LOL oz mines still running i have no idea which core version it is thoguht my system temp is 20-30 so why is my stupid processor at 90 if i over clocka lil goes to 0 degrees and doesnt run reply plsssee<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">

3DGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

ok the heat sink is warm but its a copper fin one thres not alot to get warm because it cools so fast the fan can go up to 5500 rpm and thats loud lol yea as its reading at 90+ most of teh time if over clock it a little the temp goes to 0 degrees in teh load up and doesnt work properly ie crashes or freezes sometimes and the cpu is toutching the heatsink still dont know why its running so high though which is mysterious because its not running say stupidly fast its not even overclocked its running at the speed it should be all i want is my temp right down low so i can get some speed out of it im going at if its fine running at this temp standard voltage increase and fsb increasing surly would be possible to screw a load of speed out of this abnormal chip

3DGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Number of CPUs 1 Cpu Name AMD Athlon XP (Palomino) Specification AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+ Family / Model / Stepping 6 6 2 Extended Family / Model 7 6 Package Socket A Core Stepping A5 Technology 0.18µ Supported Instructions Sets MMX, Extended MMX, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE CPU Clock Speed 1536.8 MHz Clock multiplier x 11.5 Front Side Bus Frequency 133.6 MHz Bus Speed 267.3 MHz L1 Data Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L1 Instruction Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L2 Cache 256 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L2 Speed 1536.8 MHz (Full) L2 Location On Chip L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes L2 Bus Width 64 bits Motherboard manufacturer Motherboard model VT8367-8233, BIOS vendor Award Software International, Inc. BIOS revision 6.00 PG BIOS release date 03/04/2002 Chipset VIA KT266/333 rev. 0 Southbridge VIA VT8233A rev. 0 Sensor chip Winbond W83697HF RAM Type DDR-SDRAM RAM Size 1024 MBytes RAM Frequency 133.6 MHz RAM Interleave 4-way CAS# Latency 2.0 clocks RAS# to CAS# 3 clocks RAS# Precharge 3 clocks Cycle Time (TRAS) 6 clocks # of memory modules 2 Module 0 Kingston DDR-SDRAM PC2300 - 512 MBytes Module 1 Kingston DDR-SDRAM PC2300 - 512 MBytes AGP Status enabled, rev. 2.0 AGP Data Transfert Rate 4x AGP Side Band Addressing supported, enabled AGP Aperture Size 128 MBytes Windows version Microsoft Windows 2000 Workstation Service Pack 2 (Build 2195)

3DGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

thast teh info CPU-Z brought up i think i tried PC wizard 2003 and the temp and fan reading is way off lol ive aded silver past and iteh Volcano fan is on a temperature controler ie hotter cpu gets faster it runs sometimes at 5500rpm i think its staying around 80 degrees now was wondering do u think i can get the temp down alot lower or maybe it is an innacurate reading?those 2 programs contradict each other and stil no idea why its so hot how far can these 1800 go up to? because in hte bios i got multiplyer as 11.5 default by 133 ( going up slowly at 135 now<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">) and wodnered if im multiplying correctly my multiplyer setting goes up to 15x and teh dec to 200 thats a total of 3Ghz is that possble to get up to? chris

TranceJunkieXL

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Just because the motherboard will allow settings that high doesn't necessarily mean the processor can handle those speeds. I noticed CPU-Z tells me you have a Palomino core. You shouldn't expect much overclocking from a Palo. They run very hot to begin with (though I still think 80Celsius is way off base). Are you sure it isn't reading 90F? 90F = 32.22C, which is a decent temp for a non-overclocked CPU. If you have a 1700+ T-bred and can OC it to 2.4GHz on air, you are doing pretty good. The only guys I've seen doing 3.0GHz are using a Prometeia/liquid nitrogen set-up. Have you searched for a BIOS update yet?

GNXtreme

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

I could get my 1800 palo up to 1.67GHz on my old Soyo KT333 Dragon Ultra board....but that was about all I could get... Welcome to PCStats 3DGuy!!!!

mmcduff

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

um... whats your mobo? didnt see it in that big list of specs << im a litle confussed still theres that one saying its runing at 35 degrees celcious whre as the bios says 80 decrees C >> go w/ the 35 C, if it was at 80-90 your processor would be a fried chicken... btw, what is the "one" saying 35 C i think a bios upgrade will fix it

3DGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

its in the post abouve yours lol EPoX 8K3a

mmcduff

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

what nb chip is that? im too lazy to look it up

3DGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

the Apollo KT333 is paired with the VIA VT8233A/8235 super south bridge. Special Feature(s) Supporting all 200/266 and 333MHz FSB processors upto XP3000+, the EP-8K3A+ mainboard is a legendary overclocking product capable of higher perofrmance and bus speeds of that of any competing KT333 mainboard. this is from the web site i got teh mobo from

TranceJunkieXL

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

3DGuy, have you looked for a BIOS update yet? I know that temperature misreading has been a fix in BIOS updates for several different motherboards. I am willing to bet this will solve your temp issues.

mmcduff

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

the BIOS temp misreading was an nForce2 problem, never heard of one in via kt333... << im a litle confussed still theres that one saying its runing at 35 degrees celcious whre as the bios says 80 decrees C >> 3Dguy, what is the "one" saying 35 C

3DGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

hey guys ive looked at the spec using CPU-Z and PCWizzard2003 strange results i found :S the cpu temp is readu about 35-38 when i lowered my fan from 5500rpm to 3400rpm (less noize was awfull on 5500 so im thinking if the cpu was running at 90 lowering the fan speed by half probably should have fried the chip also that pcwizzrd shows the mobo is ready the cpu fan as the chassis fan and the cpu fan as 0 another bug so now that i changed the jumpers on the mobo switching the DEC option from 100 max to 133 its now running nicely at 1.55 ghz it appreas i bought a new heat sink fan for no reason but one thing it has allowed me to do is use the speed controller to slow the fan speed down rather than having the other on 5000 rpm all the time now i cna choose the speed and keep it quiet on 3400 on my new Volcano 11 tis a good heatsink. am tempted to overclock but cant be bothered <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> as its sucha sweet machine and its used for games now i got my 128 card, as a 3D Fx workstation, CG platform and also video editing among other thigns im just going to leave it as it is hehe ive got 1 ram slot spare and im tempted to add another 512 megs of DDR but thats about it and maybe take out teh separate firewire cand i dont use and put a tv tuner card in for uni what you guys think about the Pinnacle TV card? any comments on that one? thanx agian yall and i thikn ill just leave the temp and fan miss readings as they are now i know thats what they are