Project Waterfall (56k warning) [Archive]

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

This was oringinally posted (by me) at the Compuvision forums but I figured I'd let you all know about my project <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Don't you all feel special? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> Project Waterfall My first Modding project! And my first mods! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> I already ordered everything I need, which includes an In-Win Q500 Case and a WC kit. The WC kit is the High Flowrate Reservoir Combo (265 gph pump), HWLabs Black Ice 2, and a SlitEdge Waterblock. Now, I'll be doing the following mods: - Cut 2 blowholes (probably on the top) for the Radiator. - Cut a blowhole on the side panel as an exhaust (120mm). - Paint the Case black <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> This will be my first mod, and the first time I will ever use a dremel Hopefully I won't kill myself <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Once I get my gear, I'm going to keep you up to date on all the modding. And Pictures too! LOTS of pictures <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> I should be getting all my stuff on around Tuesday or Wednesday <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> (Damn Canada Post don't work on weekends <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">)

Viper409

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Sounds sweet, can't wait!

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Is the water cooling kit doing to include a GPU water block? Seems like you are going to have a lot of exhaust. Dont' have too much. You need to push most of the exhaust through your radiator.

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

No, it doesnt include a GPU Waterblock. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> I spent all my cash on this stuff...so nothing left for the extras <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> I'm going to have 1 front Intake, 1 Side-panel Exhaust Fan (at above the CPU), and 1 Intake fan (above the PSU, near the Rads), and the 2 exhaust fans. Lol, i know that is confusing <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

You've got me thinking now.....I want my own operation waterfall <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> My possilbe shopping list would include: HW Labs Black Ice Micro II Danger Den Maze 4 Water block Danger Den Clear Resovoir Hydor L30 320GPH pump My reason for doing this wouldn't be to overclock any higher, or to keep noise down.....just for the fun of it. Maybe I'd include a Barton 2500 to see how fast I could get it running <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Viper409

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

You spend too much time on your computer, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< You spend too much time on your computer, not that there's anything wrong with that. >> Who me? How could you possibly spend too much time on your computer? Where's Colin....he'd really like to hear that one <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

Viper409

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< Who me? How could you possibly spend too much time on your computer? Where's Colin....he'd really like to hear that one <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> >> I'm sure he would.

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

lol, well, I'd like to let you all know that.... IT HAS ARRIVED Day 1 - The Beginning This case is HUGE! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Day1/Boxes.JPG"> <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Day1/Front_case.JPG"> <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Day1/Case2.JPG"> <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Day1/Back_case.JPG"> <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Day1/Case3.JPG"> <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Day1/InsideCase.JPG"> Can you guess what's in the little box? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> So, I started to cut one hole on top...being a first time Dremel user it was complete HELL! It took me 1 hr 30 min to cut one hole! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> So, I'm going to leave the 2nd hole for tomorrow. I might not do the blowhole on the side panel because I found out that this case actually has a CPU exhaust fan <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> which is good <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> More Updates tomorrow <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

That really is one big @ss case. Best of luck with your modding <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> Did you get any of the water cooling supplies? No pictures?

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Thx! lol...guess wats in the little box <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> I'm leak testing the WC stuff right now! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> hehe Maybe I'll be nice enough to upload a pic <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> hehe...

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Well, guess what..I just took a pic of the WC kit in the case..during its Leak Testing: <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Day1/Leaktesting.JPG"> There you go <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> Now I'm gonna head to bed <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Nite all <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> hehe

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Alright..another update! I finished cutting the holes, and now I am painting. So far it doesnt look so good...First time painting too <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> But hey, anything is better than beige <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> hopefully, I'll have some pics of it tonight! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> hehe

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Got some pics of everything! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Day2/TheCut1.JPG"> <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Day2/TheCut2.JPG"> <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Day2/Paint_Job1.JPG"> Hehe, there you go. I've done the 4th coat of painting..and its starting to look really good. I know the pic doesnt look so good, but trust me..it looks pretty good. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif" border="0"> hehe lol

TranceJunkieXL

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how to finish painting my HDD cooler (you guessed it - beige) without runs or the paint peeling off when I pick it up. Think I need some way of hanging it...

Viper409

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

You're right, the picture doesn't look good (of the painting). I'll take your word for it that it looks good. I think you'll need to file the edges down a bit cause they look pretty rough to me. Just a few thoughts.

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< You're right, the picture doesn't look good (of the painting). I'll take your word for it that it looks good. I think you'll need to file the edges down a bit cause they look pretty rough to me. Just a few thoughts. >> You mean the holes..ya, I took the pic before I started sanding it. It's fine now...not sharp or anything like that. Oh and rithemking. Just add a clear coat at the end..and it shouldn't peel. Tomorrow, I add Chrome finish, and then stick in the Watercooling..and finally get some GOOD OVERCLOCKS!!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

TranceJunkieXL

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Well, I was talking about the stuff peeling while I'm still painting it. The front does have 2 coats of clearcoat because I finally managed to finish it without anything sticking. Everything else seems to stick to what I've painted it on, and when I pull it off later when I can touch it, something peels off. RRR! LOL. I gotta sand it all down again.

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

It looks like your holding the can of spray paint way too close to the parts your painting.

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> Well, that seems to be some very helpful advice...too bad its a little too late..and I'm starting to get really impatient, cause I wanna set it all up and overclock!!! lol <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> But thanks for the advice..after it peels off..I'll do that <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> lol

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

I'm no expert painter....that's just what I thought when I looked at it. Pimpin Joe could really help you with the painting....he's done some really awsome work. Where did you buy all your water cooling parts from?

TranceJunkieXL

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

PJ did an awesome number on his trash can! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< PJ did an awesome number on his trash can! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> >> That was the exact item I was thinking of <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Oh, I bought the stuff from Compuvision! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.e-compuvision.com">www.e-compuvision.com</a> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> hehe Right now I'm having all kinds of problems with paint. Well, mainly on the front panel. I'm probably gonna sand off the paint (only on the front panel), and repaint it. I'm also probably going to need to buy some more tubing because its not long enough <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> And the HD (from my old case) is stuck in the HD cage because of 2 screws which are f**ked up <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> So, I got a real problem now! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> Currently setup: A REAL GHETTO SYSTEM <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Ghetto_Setup.JPG"> And heres the HD problem: <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/****edupscrew.JPG">

TranceJunkieXL

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

No worries Techman!<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> SEARS sells a real useful tool that I can't think of the name of. It's a drill bit that will easily remove those old screws.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> I have a couple myself but can't seem to find them right now (LOL-figures...).

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Just wondering where you got it because I really like that pump/res combo.....Only $68 USD isn't bad either.

Colin

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

You can never spend enough time on the computer! They need love just like you and... Wait, I mean my gf needs that stuff. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> Techman now I know why I never spend time in this forum, as I feel bad I'm so lazy! That is simply awesome work, I'm going to post this on the front page so everybody can share. Very well done my friend!

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

WOW! Thanks Colin!!!! I really apprechiate that!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> I finally fixed the screw problem and got it out...I'll upload a pic of the much nicer Ghetto WC system! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> I ordered some more tubing..Priority..so hopefully it'll be here Monday..so I can finally clean out ALL the mess! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> hehe I'll upload a pic in a few minutes...hehe <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> Oh and Shiznit, ya its a really kickass pump/res <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Too bad Ralph (from Compuvision) doesn't ship to the states <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> But it doesnt bother me, cause I live in Canada <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> lol

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

I cleaned it up a bit..but I still have to wait for more tubing in order to completly fix it up! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Day4/Improved.JPG"> See it's much nicer now! Btw, it seems to be foaming..any of you know how to fix that? Oh, and check out my temps!! 37C (idle). I'm using an Abit IC7...so the temps are much lower than what it tells me....

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

How is it your tubing is too short? I know around here you can buy that tubing from Home Depot for a lot less than you can get it online.

CyberGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< Btw, it seems to be foaming..any of you know how to fix that? >> Hey Techman, I've have a similar setup in one of my systems. It looks like your pump is sucking air. The water looks foamy because Purple Ice, HydrX, & Water Wetter all act a lot like soap by reducing the surface tension of your water and making foam. You are going to have to completely fill the res while it the pump is running. While running, open the fill hole & add juice. I use a big syringe to add water because you need to leave some space between the tip of the syringe & the sides of the fill hole to let air escape otherwise the water will just squirt past the syringe & make it look full. You can get one of these at a ****store in the baby supplies section. They are usually used for giving vitamins or tempra to babies. Those reservoirs are nasty to fill due to the teensy 1/4" fill hole. It takes a lot of patience. Once it is full, cap the res & turn off the pump to let the bubbles settle. You may need to repeat this a few times before all of the air is gone. Be patient. During the last one or 2 times you do this, tilt your RAD around to get those stubborn air bubbles. There will be a lot of them. Those Black Ice core-type rads trap air like mad. You need to tilt it to different angles while the pump is going to purge all the air out of them. You will hear & see the air being purged out while you do this. The Slit-Edge waterblock shouldn't be a problem. It is a really good design that doesn' trap air. Finally after you have all the air out, DO NOT REMOVE THE FILL PLUG UNLESS THE PUMP IS RUNNING! Hope this helps.

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

What additive did you use to get the water to turn white? I hear water wetter is pretty good, but that's ping. I also emailed E-Compuvision to see if they'd ship to me. When you register as a customer on the website, you can register from all over the world. If they'll ship to the US, and I decide to use water cooling, that is the pump/resoviour I want to use.

CyberGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< How is it your tubing is too short? I know around here you can buy that tubing from Home Depot for a lot less than you can get it online. >> Yeah, Home depot has the vinyl stuff for about 75 cents a foot, but Techman's using Tygon hose. Really expensive stuff at about $5.00 CAN per foot. You buy the bare minimum you need at those prices.

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Well, look at this....Cyberguy has decided to join the PCStats Forums and leave Compuvision <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Well, thanks for the great help!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Now, I gotta try that out for sure!!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> hehe Oh and I'm using Purple Ice <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> And ya, its Tygon..expensive stuff....

Joe

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

lol thanks guy <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> ... techman heres a couple pointers for any future case mod projects/other projects you might do. 1. dont put it together until everything is completely finished. ... this will save you a ton of headaches. (dry fitting is ok though ... good for getting a idea of the final product) 2. when painting, don't spray directly down or at the object .. spray at an angle and over lap every stroke of paint by half. if you dont get the whole area covered after doing this, dont go back to cover it until you have gotten the entire object painted once. a lot of people take the "put 4 coats on" as meaning cover it completely with paint and then do that 3 more times lol. by the time you get 4 coats like that you will have a thick layer of paint that will chip or scratch much more easily as thin coat would. 3. heres the one that will kill everyone when they hear it. ... allow your paint job to cure for about 20 - 30 days before even touching it (ex: buffing, waxing etc etc. ) this does two things here for you. one it allows the paint to harden, and two it will give you a much more glossy/mirror like look when you apply the coat. and finally. 4. dont think of clear coat as something to give you that "mirror finish" ... think of it as a form of protection for the paint under it that has the mirror finish. .. it is possible to get a mirror finish out of just your ordianary paint. btw all .. i just ordered a airbrush online ... so i should have some kind of weird thing painted to post here soon <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"> .... the old lawn mower is lookin like it needs a flame job <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"> and why not post the good ole "El Trashcan" again <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <img src="http://www.mainframeguru.net/images/joes/trashcan.jpg">

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

I really wanna see some pics of that lawn mower <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Wow, thanks for the great advice Pimpin Joe!!! Damn...20-30 days..i could never last that long...lol <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> I'll follow those guidelines if I redo my paint..or when I do my next mod <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> hehe Oh btw, nice Trashcan <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> And I also want to see the lawn mower <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> hehe

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

It's been quite a while now....where are the pics of the finished rig?

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Hehe...unfortunately still not finished...<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> But I got an UPDATE <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> WOOHOO <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> I got my tubing today, so I was able to connect it all up...and its running right now...And no more air bubbles....I'm gonna let my front panel dry another day. But I think it looks really nice!! I took Pimpin Joe's advice on it... (since I repainted it)...and I think its a lot better! Thx man! Oh and I kinda ignored the wait 20-30 days <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> cause I'm just too damn lazy! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> I'll get you a pic of the current rig tomorrow..no time today..I got school again tomorrow <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> Damn this school <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Thanks for the update Tech. I know how it is to be in school....I started back Tuesday and it really eats up all my time.

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Alright alright..I've got a pic for you <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> lol <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Day5/New&Improved.JPG"> Okay, the front panel is dry..and I have to say that it looks SWEET! Much better than the other panels! I still gotta pick it up and bring it down though...lol....too lazy to go to my garage and get it <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> lol As for the wierd stuff in the picture...I used tape to hold my rad on the top..any other way..it kinda looks bad... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> And I need to find a way to hold those tubes up...(right now I'm using tape..taped to the desk side)...because when the tubes fall to the ground (on the outside)...it bends the tube at the rad connection..causes it to stop the flow of water...which is bad....... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> Oh and AIR BUBBLES ARE GONE!!! Thx! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Ya, school is taking way to much time...*sigh* <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

That radiator and tubing is going to eventually be inside the PC...isn't it?

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

No......... Putting it on the outside...much easier there...and good for the airflow <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> I'm just going to find a way to "hold" the tubing somewhere.... Another Update coming soon!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> *EDIT* Plus if I wanted to put it inside..I have no way of holding the rad...no way that I can see...

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

UPDATE - NEAR COMPLETION Here we go, the front panel is all done..and I have to say it looks nice. <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Day6/FrontPanel.JPG"> You're probably already wondering why there is a hole on the front...and why the left side door is open. I cut a hole on the front because this case as no vents in the front panel for the intake fan...so I cut one <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> But don't worry, I'm already working on putting my Biohazard Fan grill to cover it and make it look nice! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> As for the side door....well...I'm having a problem getting the Pump Power cable out...so a friend of mine has offered to build me a PCI Bypass thingy <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> which I am greatful for! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif" border="0"> And well, that's pretty much it..still working on fixing up tubing....and setting up the rad to look nice (like the removal of the tape! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> ) Oh and Shiznit, people at the other forum (E-Compuvision), were also asking about the rad being inside...I might look into it..but I need help on holding it there..Any help would be apprechiated... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

TranceJunkieXL

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< Putting it on the outside...much easier there...and good for the airflow >> I'm not sure I follow exactly Techman.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0"> From what I've seen of others with that rad and a large case, they cut out a section of the top as a blowhole and mounted the rad with screws just like you would a fan (excellent idea for airflow). That way you have the tubes coming down right behind the PSU so they shouldn't crimp. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> Edit: put your fans on the outside of the case where your rad is right now. It shouldn't be too hard to slip the wiring in between the radiator in order to plug them in.

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

The only problem is that I need some tiny long screws...and my rad is like for 2-way fans...so u can't put a screw right through it... I hope that kinda makes sense...this is why I'm just lost right now <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

CyberGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< The only problem is that I need some tiny long screws...and my rad is like for 2-way fans...so u can't put a screw right through it... I hope that kinda makes sense...this is why I'm just lost right now <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> >> I know the problem since I use a blackice Extreme rad which has the same goofy mountings. This is going to get long-winded so bear with me... There will be a pop quiz at the end of the lesson... You need some of those brass motherboard standoffs (8 of them). Get the coarse-threaded type if you can. You will recognize them as having the same kind of thread that standard computer case screws use-- the ones that hold your case together. You will also need some nuts to fit them. The nuts you can get at Canadian Tire or other well-stocked hardware store. Get at least 16 of the nuts if you can. Some small washers would be good too, but are not mandatory. For the brass standoffs, the same kind of thread is needed inside the hex as well. Most computer shops have these & will sell you a handfull of them with a little begging and whining. Finally, you need some machine screws to fit these standoffs. 120MM fans come in 2 depths. 25mm & 38mm. For the 25mm fans, you need machine screws 1 1/2". For 38mm thick fans, you need 2" machine screws. Take a standoff to the hardware store with you for to test-fit the screws. Head size/shape doesnt matter. Use your own preference as long as the thread size & length are right. You now have the parts, now to put things together. This is the hardest part and takes PATIENCE (all good modding work does). Screw the standoffs into the fan-mount holes on your rad. This is not as easy as it looks since these holes are not threaded. Use an extra case screw to make the threads. Be careful that the standoffs do not go so far thru that they hit the rad. If they do, one of those washers would come in handy here. Screwing something into these mounts too far is the easy way to wreck a good rad (been there, done that, had to chuck the rad). Usually, the threads strip out the rad's holes. Fine. That is what the nuts are for. Its a pain in the butt to do this, but before the standoffs are threaded all the way in, hold a nut between the mount & the rad fins with some angled needle-nose pliers and get the standoff to thread into it a little. Carefull around those fins! bending them a little wont hurt, but putting too much pressure on the tubes will make them leak. They're fragile. screw the standoffs all the way in & snug the nuts up under the mounts with your pliers. If the standoffs stripped out the mounting holes, it makes this job a lot easier. If not, use patience! When this is done (whew!), run some more nuts up those new long machine screws you bought. They are going to hold your parts together. Now, while holding the RAD under the case top, set the fans on top of the case top, put your grilles in the fans, & screw the long screws thru the fan grille, fan, case top and finally into the brass standoff on your rad. They will not tighten all the way. no worries, that is what the extra nuts are for. Snug these down to your fan grilles tight. That it. Quiz: What is the effect of all of this on your patience. A: No sweat. could've done it blindfolded B: Damn, that was tough. But it works. Check out my skillz! I'M DA MAN! C: @@)#($*%#@$*&%$# Watercooling! Where did I put that friggin Heatsink & Fan?

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

One of the specs of that Radiator.... - Self-tapping and case mounting holes for easy installation of 120mm fans. How about trying self tapping screws <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0">

Joe

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< One of the specs of that Radiator.... - Self-tapping and case mounting holes for easy installation of 120mm fans. How about trying self tapping screws <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0"> >> naa .. weld some nuts on that biotch <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Self-tapping screws? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0"> Btw, I bought all the screws I need..and will hopefully do it tomorrow...(unless school kills me again) <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

GNXtreme

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Ok, how I plan on doing mine is....I will be cutting two 92mm blowholes in the top of my case much like you have done with yours Techman and I will be attatching fans on the inside of my case for the blowholes...then I will fit my radiator up to the fans and thread zip ties through the fins in the radiator and through the holes in the fan...this will hold my radiator up to the fans so the fans will be sucking air through the radiator and out of the case. Yes I said ZIP ties....

Ginsu543

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Whatever works!!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Joe

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< Ok, how I plan on doing mine is....I will be cutting two 92mm blowholes in the top of my case much like you have done with yours Techman and I will be attatching fans on the inside of my case for the blowholes...then I will fit my radiator up to the fans and thread zip ties through the fins in the radiator and through the holes in the fan...this will hold my radiator up to the fans so the fans will be sucking air through the radiator and out of the case. Yes I said ZIP ties.... >> why not get some 1/8" aluminum or something and make a bracket?

CyberGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< Ok, how I plan on doing mine is....I will be cutting two 92mm blowholes in the top of my case much like you have done with yours Techman and I will be attatching fans on the inside of my case for the blowholes...then I will fit my radiator up to the fans and thread zip ties through the fins in the radiator and through the holes in the fan...this will hold my radiator up to the fans so the fans will be sucking air through the radiator and out of the case. Yes I said ZIP ties.... >> That's actually a really good idea GNXtreme. He needs to use 120MM fans & some really thin zip ties to go thru the mounting holes (about 1/8" dia). The small zip ties fit nucely between the fins of the Black Ice rad cores. If they are too short, they can be chained to go around the fan mounting holes too. Once the fans are held to the rad, all that has to be done is screw the fans to the inside of the case. Nice & neat.

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

interesting, but then that once again returns to the setup... To have the fans inside the case or outside? Its already decided that the rad will be inside the case...but what to do with the fans <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< naa .. weld some nuts on that biotch <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"> >> How Ghetto <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> ~Slow @ss work computer....this page takes about 3 hours to load <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> It's not the connection...it's just slow!

Viper409

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Sounds like it's progressing quite well there Techman. If I were you I'd put the fans on the inside of the case. It would just look better, IMO. Other than that, I don't know what else to suggest. I like the zip tie idea there GNX. They are quite useful when screw holes don't line up. Just in case you guys were wondering where I was, I'm at university in Ottawa (Carleton University, to be exact). I don't have decent internet at home, stupid dial-up. I have looked at the forums from the computers at school (where I am now). It's just that I haven't really spent the time to look at all the posts. I may be around more often, but don't count on it.

TranceJunkieXL

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

If you don't use the case as a coffee table, the fans shouldn't look too bad mounted on the outside of the case top IMO. ZIP ties do come in handy (just ask Colin) for hanging fans from other places in a case though. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Cause I was just thinking....if I stick the fans outside the case....and find some laser-cut 120mm fan grills (Do they even exist?) and stick them out..it'll look SWEET! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> But I don't know if you can even get laser-cut 120mm fan grills <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

Stubmaster

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

SVC Compucycle has 120mm laser cut fan grills, that is where I got mine. <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.svcompucycle.com/">SVC Compucycle</a>

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Man..I'm so freakin pissed right now... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif" border="0"> I just spent like 3 hrs trying to get my rad inside the case...turns out it doesnt fit (which I didnt find out till I was ready to stick it in)....then I tried putting the fans and the rad inside the case (which let the rad slide partly into the 5.25" bay), but getting the zip ties through were harder than trying to shoot a man on the other side of the world <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Not to mention..that I had to empty most of the water in my kit so I could get the rad out....and then having to REFILL it again so I could stick it back to the oringinal spot. So, now the rad is back on top...and I'm soooo freakin fustrated right now <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif" border="0">

Joe

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

mod your case and make it fit <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< mod your case and make it fit <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> >> I have a feeling the last thing Techman wants to do is take his whole rig apart again. I don't know why I get this feeling, I just do <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< << mod your case and make it fit <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> >> I have a feeling the last thing Techman wants to do is take his whole rig apart again. I don't know why I get this feeling, I just do <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> >> lol, thats it exactly...plus I would have to cut part of the 5.25" bay..making it look horrible <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> I'm just thinking..I could fix this by doing it another way...another problem....is...I need to have shorter screws..but I don't have any...so can I cut them with my dremel? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Joe

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

yes you can cut them with a dremel.

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

errr..I'll probably end up having wierd size differences...lol....hmmm..gotta think of another way... I'm trying to do cyberguy's trick...but I would prefer to have my fans on the outside (cause I think that with a nice laser-cut fan grill it'll look sweet!).... Or I could just cut my screws..and use zip ties..to hold the rad....hmmm... Man...thinking this all out is...harder than the hardest math equation...lol <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Joe

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< errr..I'll probably end up having wierd size differences...lol....hmmm..gotta think of another way... I'm trying to do cyberguy's trick...but I would prefer to have my fans on the outside (cause I think that with a nice laser-cut fan grill it'll look sweet!).... Or I could just cut my screws..and use zip ties..to hold the rad....hmmm... Man...thinking this all out is...harder than the hardest math equation...lol <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> >> thats why you do all of the planning ahead of time. your best friend for a case mod is pencil paper and a tape measure lol.

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

say what now? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Too much reading and thought going into this thread....I give up <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

CyberGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

This one's for u Techman. As my suggestion of Rad Inside/Fans outside did not work for you, here's an alternative (originally suggested by GNXtreme): <img src="http://www.cyberzen.ca/fanmount.gif""> The zip ties go through the mounting holes on the rad, fins & all. The Zip ties are thin enough to fit between the metal fins tha stretch between the water tubes. The Fan mounting holes will keep the zip ties from bending those water tubes when they are tightened up. The zip ties are a little tricky to push thru the mounting holes and rad core, but It can be done with a lot less effort than trying to mount mobo standoffs to the fan mounts. The Zip ties will be too short to wrap around the outside of the RAD after, so you will need another to chain to the zip tie going thru the RAD. Once your fans are secured to the RAD this way, you can mount the whole sheebang to the top of your case using fan grills and standard fan screws. This method is a LOT less nerve wracking than tryhing to put those &^#$*#@$ nuts on the standoffs. Also if you want to put push/pull fans on, all you need to do is put another fan where the zip tie is coming out of the bottom of the rad. Nil Perpiration. Some tips. Make sure your fans are blowing in the right directuin before you mount them (Doh!). Use zip ties that match the colour of your rad & fans (or black ones if in doubt ) Any Questions?

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Thx cyberguy the help (once again) <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> I'll do that trick tomorrow..and hopefully finally be done with it. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> Excellent picture though <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Personally I'd put the fans on the other side of the radiator....what feels cooler to you....having a fan blowing on you, or sitting behind a fan. There is a more concentraited stream of air in front of the fan.

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Too late now <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> COMPLETION It's done! Finally! My friend made me take some pics of his crazy PCI "relay" thingy: The Box it arrived in (I thought I got a free rheobus <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">) <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Final/JollyBox.JPG"> <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Final/pcirelaythingy.JPG"> <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Final/pcirelaythingy2.JPG"> The Case: <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Final/Finish1.JPG"> <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Final/Finish1.JPG"> The Inside <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Final/InsideDone.JPG"> <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Final/InsideDone2.JPG"> <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Final/TopInside.JPG"> A Closeup on the rad <img src="http://www.grandgent.com/techman/Final/Rad.JPG"> Luckily that space between the fans and the rad hasnt made any noticeable decreases in performance <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Now, all that's left to do is to OVERCLOCK <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif" border="0"> hehe I'll probably start later tonight..since I'm still cleaning this horrible mess....lol <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

ari4324

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Dude, that looks sweat as hell. Good Job, Good Luck ocing

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Thanks! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

omga14

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

what are those hoses cooling exactly. personally i'm an air cooled guy but thinking of the setup colin has if i can afford it:-)

omga14

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

what are those hoses cooling and can you set it up to cool the vid card also?

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Well..uhhh..Colin has Prometia Mach 2 (which is different than just Watercooling). His is probably around 800$ (cdn)...while mine is around 300$ <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> The hoses start at the pump...the pump pushes the water to the radiator...which is cooled by the fans...and then the water flows to the waterblock (The CPU waterblock)..and yes..you can buy a Videocard waterblock and hook it up... And the hoses are tygon <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> expensive stuff indeed! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

TranceJunkieXL

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Colin went with water cooling for both his Radeon and his CPU at the same time, and then added peltiers in a very short amount of time. He got his first Prometeia on Ebay for $300USD, but FedEx damaged it in shipping, and their denial of his insurance claim is a complete scam IMO(I mean, he paid insurance in case something like this happed for crying out loud!). I guess they just recently reopened it, so he may get it fixed and working after all.<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> The other MachI he got from an acquaintance that was moving to a MachII (damn, he knows the right people) and he got for a heck of a lot less (he won't even tell me how much). Last thing he told me about cooling was that I should skip the water/pelts entirely and get a Prometeia from the start, as he found the results leaving a lot to be desired for the purchase price (wasn't worth the investment IHO). I guess the only thing that appeals to me at the moment is the much quieter operating volume.

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Ahhh..well, theres the real truth <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Ya..I heard Prometia Mach is loud...isnt it? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Prometia is nice and all, but for all that money, you could just buy a faster system. I am also a big fan of having a "pretty" computer. I like to buy nice cases (CoolerMaster <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">), and do a perfect wiring job, and all that. I don't want to drill a huge hole in the bottom just so I can run the prometial arm up into the case. Someday, probably in the next year, I'll finally make the switch to water cooling. If not for the lower system temps, and better my ability to overclock, I'll do it just to make the system run quieter.

CompSnake

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< Prometia is nice and all, but for all that money, you could just buy a faster system. I am also a big fan of having a "pretty" computer. I like to buy nice cases (CoolerMaster <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">), and do a perfect wiring job, and all that. >> *Cough* woman *cough* <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Avid6eek

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

I prefer the word "neat" <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

CompSnake

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

lol

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Just a little update for you guys... Very little improvement in my overclocks...I only got a +3 fsb improvement..but I had to go all the way to 1.65V for it! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> Not to mention the crazy temps I get. At default voltage and default speed...my temp is 37C. Now pushing it to 1.575 and 275 fsb...the temp is 45C! That's a big increase to me...cause when my rig was Aircooled...default voltage and speed...temp was 45C, and when i pushed it to 1.6V and 283 FSB...the temp was 48C (only 3 C increase!). Now, do any of you know how I can increase the performance...so I can get some higher overclocks!!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> lol

TranceJunkieXL

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

From the pics it doesn't appear that you are using the water to cool the NB. With high FSBs, that NB can get incredibly (burn your finger!) warm. Why don't you get some sort of block for the NB? That should improve stability and allow you to OC the FSB higher (providing the RAM can handle it).

CyberGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< Just a little update for you guys... Very little improvement in my overclocks...I only got a +3 fsb improvement..but I had to go all the way to 1.65V for it! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> Not to mention the crazy temps I get. At default voltage and default speed...my temp is 37C. Now pushing it to 1.575 and 275 fsb...the temp is 45C! That's a big increase to me...cause when my rig was Aircooled...default voltage and speed...temp was 45C, and when i pushed it to 1.6V and 283 FSB...the temp was 48C (only 3 C increase!). Now, do any of you know how I can increase the performance...so I can get some higher overclocks!!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> lol >> That you are getting a 283 FSB without having to resort to pelts is not really a Bad Thing. 48C? on an Abit IC7 Board? and your complaining??? Jeez!! Worry when the temp > 65C! I don't think it's your CPU limiting you here. My guess is it's a combination of a toasty northbridge, hot mosfets (those things get over 100C each!), possibly a really hot clock generator PLL chip (a real limiter this one, these get pretty damned hot too, even at 200Mhz) and your generic Samsung memory reaching their limits. You are going to have to slack the timings of the memory 'way back (possibly to 3-8-4-4) & up their volts to around 2.8v to reach for higher FSBs. It's all a balancing act with each of these things being a link in the chain. Your water cooling will not help any of this stuff though, and may actually be hindering them a bit since you no longer have a CPU cooler fan blowing air over them. They are now sitting in dead airspace and badly want some airflow-lovin'. You might want to hang a 120mm fan over the area where your CPU cooler used to sit and blow some air around that corner where most of these parts sit. Water cooling will not always keep your CPU temp cooler than air. A really good air cooler with a fast & loud (i.e. Vantec Tornado) fan can actually match (or sometimes beat) the performance of a good water rig. The Water cooler causes the temps to rise slower, and allows you to get that performance with larger, slower spinning, quieter fans. Those twin 120mm deltas of yours can move over 260CFM of air thru your RAD with half the racket. At 7 volts, each of them is moving the equivalent of the air of that Vantec fan with far, far less noise. Don't feel bad. You are doing just fine!

TranceJunkieXL

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Dang, I haven't checked the specs for awhile. 283FSB on DDR400?!!!!<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> I'd say you were doing just fine Techman. I'd follow CyberGuy's advice and see what hanging another fan around the top of the mobo will help (I've seen Colin doing exactly that with his Prometeia - LOL! Zipties rule!!!!).<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

lol....you think thats good? <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"> I put the ram at 2.8volts and 3:2 (so its running below specifications)...but this samsung can reach 232 fsb (at 1:1) <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Some good stuff <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Ya...maybe I will try Colin's trick <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> I've seen it in some of his pics..it really is amazing <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> Oh and I'm getting the new MCX151 NB fan....as well as hopefully some mosfet heatsinks..and hopefully I'll get some improvements. Btw, wat can I stick on the clock generator? The same heatsink, I'm using on the mosfets? (Tweakmonster ones). Btw Cyberguy, Steve seems to get the best chips...his latest one does 3.6 ghz on the intel stock cooler... :'(

CompSnake

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< Just a little update for you guys... Very little improvement in my overclocks...I only got a +3 fsb improvement..but I had to go all the way to 1.65V for it! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> Not to mention the crazy temps I get. At default voltage and default speed...my temp is 37C. Now pushing it to 1.575 and 275 fsb...the temp is 45C! That's a big increase to me...cause when my rig was Aircooled...default voltage and speed...temp was 45C, and when i pushed it to 1.6V and 283 FSB...the temp was 48C (only 3 C increase!). Now, do any of you know how I can increase the performance...so I can get some higher overclocks!!! <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> lol >> Put some ice in the water. that should help.

CyberGuy

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< ... Btw, wat can I stick on the clock generator? The same heatsink, I'm using on the mosfets? (Tweakmonster ones). .... Btw Cyberguy, Steve seems to get the best chips...his latest one does 3.6 ghz on the intel stock cooler... :'( >> Techman, Those OCZ copper 'flower' heatsinks would work great on the clock generator PLL. You know the ones. Steve does get good chips, but he also tends to fry them at an alarming rate LOL. Anyway, it's not just the chips he gets. His Asus mobo (P4C800 dlx) is voltmoded, and he's using OCZ 3700 Gold DC memory, and he's using water. Yours chip is every bit as good as his. Ralph knows people are going to clock the bejeepers out of those chips & when he picks them up from his suppliers (he always goes there personally to do it), he makes sure to pick the best 2.4s he can get. Most retailers simply have the supplier ship the parts to them via courier. Not Ralph! I went with him on a supplier run once & believe me, he drives them nuts with his requirements ("Not that one, I want one from Malaysia....") <img src="http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/f/burnout.gif">

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

LOL, ya I know. He went to go pick up mine when I was in Toronto. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> I'm gonna go try some psychotic burning methods now. Oh and I know this is off-topic..but I just got a 36Gb Raptor and an LG burner <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> And its sick!! (btw, cyberguy you were right..the LG is silent <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> lol...btw, i can't seem to msg you on ICQ..it keeps giving me gay errors..lol) *EDIT* Anyone notice how my SIG needs some major updates <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0">

GNXtreme

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Techman the mod looks great!  btw...update your siggy....

Techman

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

<< Techman the mod looks great!Â* btw...update your siggy.... >> Thx..but my mobo died today...and no..not due to Overclocking <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif" border="0"> And ya..some day..some day..i will update that sig <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> lol <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

Assimilator87

06-15-04, 02:26 PM

Those fans on top look damn cool<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Good job<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Are you gonna do anything about the wiring? It's like a jungle in there<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> In my case, I scotch taped all my wires to the walls of my case and some of the wires are bundled with scotch tape too. I don't recommend scoth tape though as it tears very easily, but some duct tape should do the trick. Ghetto, but who wants to spend money on those wire bundler thingies(LOL forgot what they are called)?<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> About the siggy, if you ever update it, don't get rid of the Murcielago pic. It RoXoRz