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http://moorewatch.com/images/uploads/soldiers-mmoore-lg.jpg
I enjoyed it :-P
man whats with these fat soldiers? sh1t the guy on the right looks like he's one of the top 10 at some d3 lan party, anyway whats with all this michael moore h8ting? just because some guy expresses his opinion on things we all gotta rip on him? i guess these boys love their "over seas experiences" ;)
SleezyRevolution
08-24-04, 06:39 PM
how ironic, you tease the soldiers yet than try to take the moral high ground by talking about how michael moore is just a man trying to express his opinion. call me crazy, but they got an opinion too. so wheres your respect?
michael moore is fat too
Whats with the fat people haters? I would kick all ur asses because I'm fat :p
sure their opinions are respected, but the problem is that their opinion is to basic eg michael moore sucks, go bush? that would be like me saying nvidia rocks ati can suck my ****
and then again michael moore isn't fighting crazy pakies over seas
SleezyRevolution
08-24-04, 06:46 PM
michael moore hasen't done anything constructive for western society, so personally, i'd be more keen to the simplistic soldiers.
i can watch a tv commercial that says bush sucks go kerry.
theres no difference, your just whining cos it's against your opinion of michael moore. and if you look at your post you'll find that it's equally simplistic as the soldiers message.
constructive? he actually points out the negatives of things in the states, instead of going on with how much better the country is then others
and your forgetting, there are the same kerry sucks go bush commercials witch are filled with half truths
i'm not wining cus its agains my opinion of michael moore, the one thing negative i said about those soldiers is that their fat, from what i know usually soldiers train on a daily basis, if you can go through that training and still be overweight, it probably meants their not being trained well enough and the reason i said why is everyone hating michael moore is because not to long ago every tv show was ripping on him for his "unpatriotic actions"
as for my post, i'm not going to go through the details, i did that way to much before
say what you will and call it a day, i'm not getting into this again
SleezyRevolution
08-24-04, 07:05 PM
naturally you won't get into it again, you do much better beating around the bush. you should really consider football, you have an excellent sidestep. ;) :rolleyes:
why should i bother? we've been over this before, in quite a few threads. it was nice while it lasted, but now i feel like moving on, also if you'll notice, i gave you the last word on this
guys guys.... lets keep the peace in the middle east! lol. I'm with the guys on the military pic.. ALL THE WAY!! ;) Michael Moore is full of it i'd say.. i dislike him very much because his views on the political side is just wack. He's one anti war freak....
The problem... He is an entertainer who thinks he is a reporter. His job is to entertain, yet he makes it his business to "inform." It would be one thing if his information was accurate, but its one sided and he makes it what HE wants it to come across as. I have seen his movies and personally I see a lot of good statistics... but for every good statistic he has a flagrant disreguard for the other side of the matter. 100 ducks could drown and he could blame in on a bad storm when in reality it was because some kid fed them all lead weights and they sunk... I dunno if thats a good enough example but I think everyone needs to keep in mind that he is an "entertainer" and should be taken as one, dont get your opinion from one of his movies. If we all did that then geeze I would HATE to see what our world would come to. Although I suppose if you vote for Kerry we'll see :) muhaha...
. . .if we all did that then geeze I would HATE to see what our world would come to. Although I suppose if you vote for Kerry we'll see :) muhaha...
LoL. . .
i h8 bush...i h8 kerry...
http://www.JohnKerryIsADoucheBagButImVotingForHimAnyway.c om/
Yeah, whoever wrote all that probably got no attention as a child...
maybe some nice alien race could come over and enslave us all? then we wouldnt have to vote bush or kerry ;)
put it this way guys... just like alien vs. predator.... whoever wins, we lose.
i h8 bush...i h8 kerry...
http://www.JohnKerryIsADoucheBagButImVotingForHimAnyway.c om/
Chalk one up for the "Anybody but Bush" crowd.
azxeric
09-05-04, 06:59 PM
His job is to entertain, yet he makes it his business to "inform." saying michael moore is an entertainer is beyond inaccurate. he's a director who had an idea and made a film. it was made to show the world his thoughts and he added some entertaining things so u didnt fall asleep. he doesn't make it his business to inform, u do. if u dont want to kno dont pay the 8 bucks to see it. ur asking to be informed he didnt make u pay for it. It would be one thing if his information was accurate, but its one sided and he makes it what HE wants it to come across as. that is true but his job is to make money and he can only shoot a movie from one perspective HIS!!! when has anything been totally truthful and in some way not slanted? dont get your opinion from one of his movies. completely agree. u should take his movie as an oppion then do ur research to come to a conclusion. if u made an oppion from what one person or a group of people leaning one way told you you are just a robot for them to program.
i am down for the alien thing though.
A few flaws in your argument :) He is a director you are correct... But anyone who works with films, editing, directing and what not... Whats the point of making a film? You pick... To entertain or to inform. Saying that he is not an entertainer is actually way off... He is in it to put his point on the big screen hoping other people will come and get something from it. I agree it is up to the person watching it to take what they will out of it. But the point is, the film is NOT a documentary because the information is not 100% accurate. It is slanted as even you agreed. Basically since he is NOT a credible source for information he goes the "make a funny that gets my view in their heads." It's poorly created propaganda :) I have always agreed that the information which he presents is, at best, interesting... but one should take it with a grain of salt because the "facts" according to Michael Moore are nothing more than a bunch of bull crap :)
Devils00Champs
09-06-04, 01:28 AM
Heres something ive learned from my psychology class stated by the professor "open minded people are stupid" That is because they dont know what they are talking about, everyone should have an opinion and i am one that agress with certain views presented by Moore about Bush and the state of the country.
whats wrong with being open minded? i thought being intelligent is questioning everything put before you, and i do hate bush, mainly because the things he says are half truths or he leaves out a sh1tload of info that would cause people to think twice (eg the patriot act commercials)
and now i'm really laughing my @$$ off with his "re-elect me so i can finish my work, like make a better economy, improve public parks, reduce crime etc.." funny thing is all he did so far was cause nothing but panic and fear, and start two wars (that i think america could not afford after 9/11)
Devils00Champs
09-06-04, 02:40 AM
whats wrong with being open minded? i thought being intelligent is questioning everything put before you
Im not saying you shouldnt question things, thats not the point of the quote. The point of it is that everyone should have an opinion on topics they discuss. You cannot be going back and forth on an issue saying that both sides are correct, that just makes absolutely no sence. (when im saying "you" i dont mean you personally) Yes i do believe that you should question everything and not trust anything, but again thats a different issue.
Devils00Champs
09-06-04, 02:43 AM
Anyone watch that speech Bush gave at the end of the meetings in New York? I turned it on pretty much by accident, but this is what I came up with just by listening to him talking
"Bush is like Hitler:
- hitler tried to take over the world imposing his own type of govt, bush is "helping" these countried gain freedom and become democracies that we help set up
- hitler - killed jews, bush - kills arabs
- hitler - low economy blamed on jews, bush - low economy blamed on terrorists, both went after the people they blamed
- hitler convinced his people that jews were evil, bush - convinced people that arabs are evil"
By: Devils00Champs
I dont know that its entirely fair to compare Jews to terrorists... For one, Hitler was full of hate towards the Jews... for two, would you rather we welcome these terrorist attacks? Any president in office during 9/11 and the months after would be gettin the SAME crap you guys are throwing at Bush. You sit there and critique his leadership, but what would YOU do? Would you say "oh yeah, they bombed us, oh well... too bad so sad..." or would you say "they killed many people without any warning and we need to do something to make sure this stops..." Now I know your probably gonna throw that BS line "but what good are we doing killing innocents over there?" Honestly, killing innocent people NEVER does any good, but in ANY war environment there are casualties. It's just complete crap. We fought for our independence and we had help from other countries in doing so. These people are trying to get past the crappy government which has existed for so long and we are trying to help and all you can do is call Bush names like Hitler. Do you honestly think John Kerry has the balls to do something about it? No. In fact he voted for the war. Now, "knowing what he knows now" he would not, but I ask what does he know? Obviously he isnt showing it, other than arrogance. His own state hates him. He is a stuck up prick who will cut in front of anyone in line and then get offended when they question it. All Kerry is is a puppet... A puppet that will only be placed in office so the democratic party can manhandle our country and in the end its gonna look like a prison love story. Thats all I got to say about that. :eek:
ehe bush has been compared to hitler a long long time ago, and ever since, you forgot the one wehre bush keeps his people under constand fear
What should we do crax? seriously, its not like we can just vote him off, i can't really vote since i'm not a citizen yet, but honestly this system is built in such a way that a few people can't do jack sh1t unless they have a lot of cash, so what should we do? hang around the whitehouse with big signs? that din't stop him, and a lot of anti bush people at bush's speeches/rally's always get arrested and usually the only thing those people do is stand around like everyone else, but they wear some anti-bush clothing
and crax, how would you feel, if lets say another country like japan invades yours, kills thousands of your people and then without apologizing, just says "we made a mistake, but everyone makes mistakes" and thats not even the end of that because they still occupy your country
and how exactly does starting wars requrie balls? i remember when bush went to have a speech in new york like a month ago, and there were over 10 thousand poliece officers, and more military personel, tell me if he has "balls" why does he need that much protection? and its not like any of them are doing any of the fighting so i don't see why anyone would require balls, and why do people keep bringing this up? always saying that bush is the only one whom ever had balls in a long time, but thats like having two swat teams, one thinks it through before and planns everything (kerry) while the other just gets the facts, and then just carelessly storm in (bush) who would you rather have?
Ok... gotta make this short cause I got class soon haha... Now, if we did something like have terrorist groups supported by our government going over and jackin their stuff up, I wouldnt blame them one bit for attacking us. I dont think its a matter of marching around with big signs as much as it is just respecting the place that Bush is in and realizing that absolutely NO president is going to make every single decision the exact way you think they should. By saying that asking if kerry has the balls i mean that he is already a cowardly puppet... He will do WHATEVER it takes to get your vote and it pretty much stops there. Im truely afraid of what is going to happen IF he gets elected. He has a few "plans..." but listen to him, he gives NO explanation of how he is going to achieve these plans. I heard him say he was going to both raise taxes to help with the national debt and reduce taxes in general, within the same breath. He is called Flip Flop for a reason, its not like someone was just bored and said, oh lets call this poor soul some name... So, I didnt mean that it does in fact take balls to start a war... just that kerry is the type that would vote for it, and then when people start to not like it he would vote against it to make himself look better. Does that make much sense? Does that seem like a good quality for leadership? Not if you ask me. As far as the "we made a mistake..." quote... I dont think we made any mistake. I seriously still think they have weapons somewhere. If you think back why would it have been such a big deal for them to just cooperate with the guidelines set and let everyone check them out? They gave the US and everyone else EVERY reason to suspect that they did, and still do, have WMDs... But I guess we should just wait til some other crazy person gets into power over there to show us that they do have them by sending a few our way? Makes perfect sense to me...
and bush does? i heard him say he's going to do a lot of things, like better the economy, healthcare, and our national parks, but ever since he was elected people have been losing jobs, companies moved their factories overseas, and he has done nothing for the country itself, except put everyone in fear and start wars, not to mention put america into further debt (witch i think will never be payed anyway) and din't he vote for the war back when it was believed iraq had wmd's? but then changed his vote after they realized their mistake? maybe he just doesnt want to occupy a country for no reason
the reason they din't cooperate was because we sent people there, they found nothing, and then we wanted to keep checking more and more, think about it, america woldn't let other countries like lets say, north korea come over and check out their most secret bases and whatnot so why should iraq?
and iraqi missiles could never reach the usa, but if you haven't payed attention, north korea did launch a test missile that woulda made it to the us pretty easy (but they had some problems with it) and this was back in the early 90's, now they are making threats of building wmd's, we have proof that they started the program, and yet we do nothign to stop them but have no problem using every available resource on iraq
So... we get inside information about other countries actually selling stuff for WMD to iraq, and just cause we dont find em means they dont exist? Are you willing to say that there are absolutely NO WMDs in iraq at all? Cause heck, we cant find Osama Bin Laden... so maybe he doesnt exist either. On to other matters... It was decided and set to by the UN that matters such as threats to the rest of the world be investigated... That is the reason we continued to investigate in iraq... And personally I have not been made afraid because of Bush, if anything I feel more safe now than I did right after 9/11. We are gonna go round and round on this, but lets keep goin cause Im enjoying it.
Sorry, about the weapons searching thing... Go to the U.S. goverment website, then find the UN resolutions (all 16 of them) that Saddam broke that we told him not to break or else we would come back and finish the job. What reason did he have to break these? Obviously he was hiding something.
Edit-
Whether you hate Bush, and or Rush... this is worth checking out.
Here (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_083104/content/eib_interview.guest.html)
It brings up some good points about the war in general and for those of you who oppose it this helps to shed some more light, though I dont expect it to effect you hard heads :p
no, but there isn't much of a piont to change your regime once you found out your prior info was wrong, and continuing to occupy that country
believe it or not, al lot of people i talk to don't feel so "safe" with bush continuing to say that there will be another terrorist attack and whatnot every few weeks/months, its quite irritating to them apparently, for me not so much, ignorance is bliss as they say
and whatever happens in the future, bush being re-elected, or kerry getting his turn, north korea, and the rest of the world, there's a quote that i love witch applies to this, "time will tell" ;)
What do you mean by with bush continuing to say that there will be another terrorist attack and whatnot every few weeks/months In his place as leader it is more or less his job to make sure we are aware of these potential threats so if your friends dont like knowing that its possible that there could be an attack I suggest you tell them to not watch the news. If thats the only point in saying people are living in fear then I dont know that I would value their opinions much anyway. Everytime you turn on the news you can find out what level of terror alert we are at, and though Bush may be the one to announce when something major is going on he is not the only person deciding these matters. I have friends on the inside loops and stuff related with the FBI, coast and homeland security, and I usually find out several days before most people as to when something big could happen. Were you warned before 9/11? Not quite... Did it happen? Yes indeed... Of these warnings throughout the years... how many have actaully happened? Few, because we are better prepared and we are eliminating that threat which has remained for so long. I dont know if you realize this, and its not meant to be a generalized statement at all... but these terrorist groups hate us and want to hurt us. If you have a problem with knowing that we could be under constant attack then you might should move to another country, cause its not a select few individuals they hate here... its the US as a whole. They hate how we allow freedom of religion, and how our culture is so different. I hardly think its fair to say we have no business with the role we have taken on, because there may be casualties of war but at least in the long run a solution might arise rather then the thousands upon thousands of innocents which were gassed, murdered, and taken advantage of under the rule of Sadam... Who's Hitler now.
its not my friends, mainlly my teachers who keep b1tching about it, me personally, i don't care, i just ignore him
they also hate the cultural pressure you put on their countries, from what i've seen, they hate how westerners spread their views of things onto them and probably the fact that we respect our women, but anyway i don't say we shouldn't attack and kill them, its just that dropping bombs on cities isn't my idea of doing it. and from the looks of it, religion seems to play a big role on both sides so maybe thats where our main problem lies, but either way the problem is tha we don't know exactly why they hate us (its allways our freedoms and whatnot that are put up as a reason, but i doubt that in itself could be entirely it, then again i have seen them killl asians as well so who knows) since our government controlls the media, no matter what you say, its true and unfortunately all i can do at this time is sit back and see it unfold
As you said before, time will tell...
But you did say we dont know why they hate us... From what Ive been reading they are basically brought up hating us. Its in their religious books and their teachings... It is the difference in culture, and like you said, the fact that we respect our women. I dont think that we should be bombing them either based on just that... but its these terrorist groups have been... well... terrorizing us lol. And its not necessarily that we say "oh they mess with us, its time for payback..." Its a matter of homeland security, we can only do so much to secure our own coasts and lands... It had gotten to the point where we needed to take action and go over there and uproot several individuals from power, which is what we have been accomplishing and why there has been a reduction in terrorist attacks. But anyways thats just to clear things up :)
they are brought up to hate what we do, i guess they don't enjoy having to make their own choices, i rem seeing a documentary where this little arab kid (about 11) wouldnt go swimming because it had something to do with his religious beliefs, and he felt like he was going to hell because he dint see fully covered women (they were covered alright, its just they din't wear those big face mask thingies) anyway in my opinion religion is probably the worst thing in all cultures
either way we'll see where this will lead (just hope north korea won't surprise us)
Devils00Champs
09-06-04, 09:35 PM
And personally I have not been made afraid because of Bush, if anything I feel more safe now than I did right after 9/11.
Then id really like to know where you live, cause im a New Yorker and not one of those upstate ones either. Im not into any feeling of fear ever, never been, but with the current situation and the possibility of another 4 years of bush it makes me wonder
Devils00Champs
09-06-04, 09:46 PM
I have friends on the inside loops and stuff related with the FBI, coast and homeland security, and I usually find out several days before most people as to when something big could happen
They hate how we allow freedom of religion, and how our culture is so different. I hardly think its fair to say we have no business with the role we have taken on, because there may be casualties of war but at least in the long run a solution might arise rather then the thousands upon thousands of innocents which were gassed, murdered, and taken advantage of under the rule of Sadam... Who's Hitler now.
O, well thats just wonderful, they know things but they wont tell the general public for several days, nice amount of honesty from the govt.
And the primary reason these terrorist groups hate us IS NOT because we allow freedom. Just takes alittle common sence and a knowledge of history to figure this out. Most terrorist groups are arabic based, they hate us because of the jews we harbor here in the states, and how we were supplying the jews with weapons to fight off the arabs thruout the years in the middle east.
gokusimpson
09-07-04, 12:47 AM
I still can't believe that they are still fighting over such an old issue. Doesn't it seem that religion is the beginning of most wars?
Rudegar
09-07-04, 08:23 AM
i think culture more then religion
religion is often used as an excuse to start shooting at the other guy though
only rarely does people who just want to pick a fight or hurt somebody come right out and say it’s because they have issues and causing harm to others makes them forget those issues a bit
Then it’s easier to say you did it because allah or jesus or santa or some klingon god wanted it or in self-defence or revenge or ….
the nazi's were not really that religious
nor were the communists
nor the romans who prob have the world record of being at war in their some 1k civilizations
I don't have the patience nor desire to squish many of the inane allegations made in the previous posts, but I just want to make sure the record is straight on something: John Kerry has already stated (either during or shortly after the DNC) that knowing what he knows now, he STILL would have invaded Iraq. That's right, kids; Flip Flop Kerry and Bush are on the same page in that respect.
Anywho, I hear Michael Moore is fat :)
*EDIT: Just so you guys know I'm not making that up, here's the link to Kerry's Iraq War statement.
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/381249|top|08-09-2004::17:46|reuters.html
so let him be fat, apparently he's ok with people pirating his movies :) and most of america is fat witch sorta works for me and against me :(
azxeric
09-08-04, 05:18 AM
i make one post and suddenly i have to read a freakin novel to post again thx guys lol.
i think it sums up like this:
shortly after that day 3 years ago on Saturday bin ladien made statements about not to be afraid of the US cause they won't do anything. i was pissed and wanted to see something done and the president stepped in and instead of holding years of meetings he did what he had to and blew some $h1t up. suddenly osama and sadam had to stop butt f**** eachother and head for the hills. everyone was onboard as we sat with our faces glued to cnn watching the cruise missils frying off the decks of destroyers, and we cheered. Bush's rating was at an all time high. then it happened, the thing that always happens, an american lost his life. followed by another then a female then 2. suddenly a few famous people started talking negatively about what is going on. for some stupid reason people listen to celebraties "join my fight against bush got to my web site you love my movies" blah blah blah. the american spirit faded faster then the american flag bumper stickers on everyones car. so now we are where we are. bush can no longer ride the wave of the war and what good its doing because its old news and no one cares anymore. so now ur left with bush supporters and people who will vote for kerry because they hate bush.
what do u think it would be like if Gore was prez? osama would have been right. meeting after meeting with no retaliation. i say F that bush did what had to be done to prove to the world we are not a punching bag and we do punch back harder and longer. the only problem now is its round 2. we are on the defensive. its hard to fight a ghost. how far is the diametier of a hydrogen bomb explosion? how close does a terrorist really need to be to the white house to take it down?
the next time u wanna say something bad about this war just remember ur saying something bad about every soldier over there. u hate bush? thats fine but back ur troops. this is where we are at deal with it and help boost their moral.
i believe im one of the few left who still believe in the cause. everytime i start to forget i remember a photo i saw on yahoo. it was a man dressed and pressed for work taking a noise dive to his death. he was a human for at most 10 more seconds and i saw one of his last moments. remember the odd silence 2 weeks after? no planes?
what was it like when u saw cnn replay that second plane hit over and over again?
hate kerry, hate bush
BUT BACK YOUR FREAKIN TROOPS
Rudegar
09-08-04, 08:11 AM
"the next time u wanna say something bad about this war just remember ur saying something bad about every soldier over there"
why ?
that dont make sense to me at all
they are doing their job and some people may not agree with their employer's choice of what their job is at present
it should never reflect on them for doing their job
it's the same rule that caused that the average solder after ww2 didn’t go to prison along with top cheese nazi's
I agree our troops need all the support they can get. They did when the wa first started and they do now. Yes I know its there job to be over there doing what they are doing, but that doesnt mean we should just ignore the fact that they are fighting for US... even those of you that hate bush or are totally against the war... they are fighting for you too. We do not have a draft, they are there because they joined our military forces and sometimes war happens. I have a few friends over there and I know its tough to be away from their friends and families, but they believe in what they are doing and especially after being over there they believe more than ever that the right decision has been made... Its frustrating for me to sit here and read all over the internet that people arent in support of the war and bash everything about it because i know that there are people over there giving their lives because they DO believe in it. Its real easy to sit there in front of your computer and say "wah i hate war its stupid, blah blah blah..." well what effort are you making to improve life. Kinda bums me out... boy this thread has covered a lot of topics...
well i'm speaking for my self here, but the reason i don't support the war is because if every war that america rushes into people have to support because they care about the troops, i doubt future presidents will even look at peoples opinions, and just rush into the war knowing he will have their support one way or the other. we have to do something, make a stand, and saying no to war when there is no war in sight is pretty pointless, also a lot of people want their kids, husbands/wives, and brothers/sisters back, i sure wouldnt want to see anyone i knew over in iraq especially for the amount of time they have been there. so far over 1000 us soldiers died, and in a war, thats not very much, but there are over 1000 families out thre that have been devastated by bush's decision, if you woke up one morning to find that one of your familie members or friends is dead because your president decided to start a war on a mistake what would you do? i have seen a lot of devastated people talk about their loved ones after 9/11, but i have yet to see one talk about losing someone they loved in iraq
Devils00Champs
09-08-04, 04:47 PM
the next time u wanna say something bad about this war just remember ur saying something bad about every soldier over there. u hate bush? thats fine but back ur troops. this is where we are at deal with it and help boost their moral.
Short answer to that, F*CK the troops
crazygoat
09-08-04, 05:24 PM
thats bullsh1t i have 2 friends in the army one is in iraq and one is intraining and will be shortly(prob jan) and i support both of them u might not support bush or kerry or the war but u should support the troops they r doing their job so f*ck you if people started invading the us and they were attacking ur city i bet u wouldnt say f*ck the troops would u
Devils00Champs
09-08-04, 05:44 PM
one of my best friends is in the Marines, hes in Japan right now. Would suck if we got sent to iraq, but o well thats the career he choose for himself, and thats part of his job.
crazygoat
09-08-04, 05:47 PM
so why say f*ck the troops and i hope he doesnt get sent to iraq either im worried marc or tony( my friends) r going to get killed im sorry i prob sounded like a dink but i was a little pissed about them going
Short answer to that, F*CK the troops
The short answer, I do believe, is that Devils00Champs is a heartless ass... /shrug
Devils00Champs
09-08-04, 10:56 PM
That would be certainly correct, I am heartless
crazygoat
09-13-04, 05:42 PM
wow the fight finally ended i thought it never would
ARG ARG ARG the fight is not over, you started it up again ARG ARG ARG... uh... what to argue about now? Actually I think everyone moved to the september 11th thread :)
crazygoat
09-13-04, 05:50 PM
on my way :P
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