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I have a Thermaltake tower cooler (model 102 - same heatsink as the CL-P0025 but with custom fans) with dual stealth 92mm 1750 RPM fans and it still runs hot!
I have an ambient room temp of 37c and my machine is idle at 63c & I am using artic silver...
I am using a full tower case that have 6 extra fans in my case beside the CPU fans (2) antech pwr suppy (2) and videocard fan (1)... the case temp is 40c which is 3c above room temp.
Vent fans are 2 rear case fans, 1 side case fan, 2 hard drive fans, 1 northbridge fan...
I have tried with Cool n Quiet enabled and disabled.
The orignal AMD fan n heatsink would set the mobo temp alarm off on a hot day
I am certain it is reading the correct temp cause i have measured it with a fluke temp probe.
How to keep this beast cool?
I have been thinking of water cooling, but really how much does water cooling help when ur ambient temp is already so high?
Wouldnt the room heat make the radiator warm to begin with.. and once hot how to cool it down?
I work in a small office with no aircond and i really dont want a noisey box...
My system configeration is in my signature running at abit default clock speed
help anyone?
therealwesty
11-28-04, 11:17 AM
The ambient room and case temperature are really working against you here. It is going to be very hard to cool the CPU to where you want it. I am not a big fan of Tt case or CPU coolers. The cases seem to be poorly designed and actually impede the airflow. A friend of mine has one of the XaserIII cases with a whole bunch of fans and my Utopia case with just 2 80mm case fans runs way cooler.
A case like the Lian Li PC-V1000 (review here (http://www.dansdata.com/pcv1000.htm)) may help you improve airflow. This may not get the ambient case temperatures much lower but it should help move any excess heat away from the CPU. A more efficient CPU cooler may be helpful as well. The Thermaright XP-120 (review here (http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=220)) is quickly learning a reputation as the best cooler out there for Athlon64 and FX chips. A 120mm fan on the XP-120 will give the same CFM as the 90mm fan on the Tt unit at a lower RPM, so less noise. Alternatly a 120mm Vantec Tornado fan could be used for extreme airflow and awsome cooling. A lot of the gang here recommend a fan controller with the Tornado fans so you can tune down the noise a bit.
thanks for the info
The case is not a TT case, its a Antec PlusView1000AMG SOHO (http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=90510) File Server http://www.antec.com/images/160/PLUSVIEW1000AMG1.jpg
I have actually used a smoke machine to follow the airflow within the case. (thx to me buddy who has a mobile disco) The results from this were rather good. The case temp is no more than between 1c to 4c above room temp - average about 1.5c.
The tower cooler sits directly inline with the hard disc bay fan and one of the rear case fans, ducting the main heat from the case.
The only conclusion i can come to is that this tower cooler SUX, even with 2 x 92mm fans!
I need something that will remove 89watts of heat from my 0.13u fx-53.. (pls dun suggest a .90u as i dont want to throw another grand at this box)
How about water cooling? do u think it may help any? whats the best?
**blink my eyse**... 37c degrees???!!!
buddy where do you live?? egypt??
first of all.... isnt't that a little too hot even for human?
computer processor operational room temperature tops out at around 36-40 degrees c. and you're boarderlining it already. that's your biggest problem. even with watercooling, you'll still have the same problem. watercooling won't get it much lower provided it still uses room temp to cool the radiator fins.
unless you go with refrigiration solution. now that's a different story. consider you were able to afford the FX53, less than half a grand will get you a nice Prometia refrigiration system. that's the best solution for you provided if you wanna continue operate it in that kind of room temperature.
I am not really a fan of the vaporchill or Prometia refrigiration systems simply because they running the risk of condensation shorting out mobo cpu socket... And as they say when u install it u are doing so at your own risk. :( I know they come with a heat pad to "reduce" condensation but it does not eliminate it.
How about a water chiller?... is there anything thats already in the market place that isnt noisey?
I heard about a swiftech product but some say its loud... i was also thinking about the fish tank cooling rods, but they are hell expensive.
gokusimpson
11-28-04, 10:56 PM
That's one crazy ass tower hsf!!! :eek: One problem may be that there is too much arctic silver! (seriously) That can make the hsf inefficient.
bluegreenshxt
11-29-04, 01:56 AM
63 idle!!! :eek:
wow...dont you have airconditioning??
No and it dont look like the boss is going to pay for it... apart from that this is my personal machine
its not normally this hot all year round just 3 months or so during summer and it starts in 2 days... we can sometimes have temps of 44c during summer here.. then i turn off the pc n go into the aircond rooms...
therealwesty
11-29-04, 01:10 PM
I don't think water cooling is going to be any more or less risky than phase change. If you go with a water chiller to cool the water below room temperature you are still going to get consensation. As well most water blocks won't have the same provisions against condenstation a phase change cooler has.
water cooling can't cool below room temp. like i said it still uses the ambient air to cool it's radiator fins :) just a note :)
bluegreenshxt
11-29-04, 04:27 PM
if you move this system around a lot...it might be better to stick with air cooling...although those temps are kinda bad....
i would go with the phase change if i had the money...there shouldnt be any condensation problems if you install correctly and carefully...
if you move this system around a lot...it might be better to stick with air cooling...although those temps are kinda bad....
i would go with the phase change if i had the money...there shouldnt be any condensation problems if you install correctly and carefully...
Whats a phase changer?.. that powered cooling block that draws some 30 amp?
bluegreenshxt
11-29-04, 06:45 PM
another term for refridgeration cooling..:p
but even with water cooling..you install it at your own risk...
Okay guys.. i have been reading some and from what i can see there IS a drop in temp between a aircooled and water cool kits.
At present my current (air) tower cooler runs about 26-27c above ambient room temp at idle and over.
From what i can see with the H20-120 rev2 (http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=review&dId=719&dPage=4) it runs at about 15c above room temp at idle and about 20c above ambient temp under load.
Equally the test and reviews i have read about the Thermaltake BigWater 12cm kit and they seem to get about the same results.
Looking at both designs i am personally enclinded to beileve that the Swiftech h20-120 rev 2 maybe a better option. The refill tank of the BigWater 12cm seems a little small to me... and looks somewhat cheaper quality even thou both these items are priced at 150 USD.
Have any of u guys tested either one of these beasts? or maybe there is a better solution?
I orignally looked at swiftech's larger double size radiator but i am unable to mount it as my rear fan bay is only a 80mm fan. The H20-120 rev2 has an adaptor bracket that allows u to mount a 12cm radiator and fan on the back of any rear fan bracket from 6" to 12"
HELP?
you were just talking to a guy who owns a swiftech water kit LOL...
yes, the h20-120 is basically a better improvment version of the original h20-8500 (i have). the resovoir defiintely beats the stupid fill and bleed kit and the improved waterblock seems pretty impressive on paper. again, i never experienced with the new waterblock myself yet.
the add on 120mm bracket w/radiator definitely looks promising. i was thinking about getting that myself since with my crazy 135watts OC i kinda have to turn up the fans sometimes. the only down side is that add-on is about $88. but definintely get it if money is not an big issue.
don't worry about the noise level some people might tell you. they're quiet. speaking from experience from working with the h20-8500. i can tell you that the new version won't disappoint you.
just make sure "distilled" water. i spilled water on my system the first time i assembled it. good thing it was distilled, just dry it out with hair dryer. with that huge full tower, you won't have space problem either. as watercooling kits can get a little crammed in mid towers.
forget about thermaltake, their waterkits looks nicer on paper than in real life.
SOLD! i'll order one today :D
Here is a dumb question.. but a few years back i remebering seeing a working TV set that was immersed in this liquid solution. No doubt it did not conduct electricty as the EHT transformer would have crapped itself right away not to mention the other bits.
Why dont they make the liquid out of something that is non conductive as it would stop shorts........
i have no idea which tv set you're refering to. but none the less, the LCD screen today does exactly what it's meant to do.
the problem is there's iron inside tap water.
bluegreenshxt
11-29-04, 10:59 PM
non conductive liquid is very expensive from what i've read...
distilled water is nonconductive...but once minerals get in it...it starts to conduct... :(
now lets throw a spaner in the works... lol
i ordered the swiftech h20-120 rev2 today :cool: looks worthy :D
what u guys think about cooling my video card with a water head? its a MSI 6800 ultra and i have no idea what the wattage rating is on the GPU... or should i run a seperate water cool system for my GPU and mobo chipset?
bluegreenshxt
11-30-04, 09:25 AM
with ambient temps like yours...it wouldnt hurt...especially if you had the extra cash...
ya.... i am surprised you haven't fried that GT yet. altho, with the ambien temp like this... i would get a second radiator for the VGA block. as the VGA cooling can significantly increases and contribute to your cpu temp.
Dude get an air conditioner for your room. Small one will cost u $200 rather than blow $60 on a good cooler with 10 high cfm fans will still cost the same. Best advice :)
that's actually a very good idea !!...
how come we never covered that.
get an AC!!
bluegreenshxt
11-30-04, 08:10 PM
that's actually a very good idea !!...
how come we never covered that.
get an AC!!
i asked him about that :p...
he said his boss isnt gonna pay for it...so i assume this rig is at his work place :confused:
Howard BAM ya.... i am surprised you haven't fried that GT yet.
Its a 256MB Ultra
we did cover that..... aircond is not an option here, i work on location and i cant just bring an aircond with me to every work hut they have me setup in :(
So i have made up my mind, I'm going to use 2 water cool units running inderpendant of eachother (lucky i have room in this tower case) Use 1 for the CPU alone and the second watercool system for the GPU and mobo northbridge
Anyone got any idea what heat in wattage comes off a 6800 ultra chipset?
if modern 9800 pro and 5900ultra puts out around 100watts of power. i assume 6800GT should be somewhere little more than that.
thats what i was thinking...
its not a wise idea to series a 89watt fx-53 with a 6800 ultra GPU at over 100 watts on 1 kit... total being 190 watts without NB chipset
I have been looking at another alternative to cool this beast.. i dont know what its called but i remeber seeing one online..
it plugs into the PCI socket next to the video card and removes the hot air from the 6800 and passes it straight out the back of the machine.
Since i would be eliminating most of the heat from the box with my new swiftech h20 120 rev2 cooler i firgure this maybe a worthy solution :confused:
how you guys feel about that?
get a prometia, hard to install but very good cooling-
it's a slot cooling fan. helps but i am not sure how much it'll help your since your room's so hot. but it can't hurt.
bluegreenshxt
12-01-04, 09:30 PM
artic silencer??
get a prometia, hard to install but very good cooling-
Condensation is a major issue ... i dont want water dripping down onto my 6800 ultra or audigy 2, plus i dont know how MSI or creative labs would feel about warranty on my brand new card that is sprayed with anti corrosive spray.
Its just to expensive to risk, and then loose warranty.
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/pics/products/40_big.jpg
Yes green i think it is an artic silencer. I thought it was a seperate unit but it looks like a total heatskin replacement.
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga2.php?idx=40
Any u guys use them?.. are they any good compaired to the standard heatsink?
i thought you meant one of thos PCI slot fans.
yeah.. i wonder how those perform compare to the Zalman heatpipe w/fan i am using.
Okay guys.. i finally got the ****s with the stupid tower 102 with 2 x 92mm stealth fans and did this!
BEFORE
This is my old average idle temp before (top left)
http://www.ganjagurus.com/junglegeorge/def/screenshot.jpg
NEW INSTALLATION
Swiftech h20 - 120 rev3
Started with a bare case and went from there as per swiftech instructions.
http://www.ganjagurus.com/junglegeorge/def/1assemble.jpg
I decided to install the radiator outside the case to reduce the heat to both my Mobo and Graphics card. Only difference with this installation is that the radiator is right side up and u can see i have drilled 2 holes inline with the radiator keeping the return line up out of the way and increasing airflow thru the case.
http://www.ganjagurus.com/junglegeorge/def/2assemble.jpg
In this next shot u can see the cooling system is dummy assembled for leak testing. Notice use of external power supply (on top of case) to test system with.
http://www.ganjagurus.com/junglegeorge/def/3assemble.jpg
After leak an hour of leak free testing i decided to mount the motherboard with cup cooler attached and did a further leak test to ensure i had not moved or damaged any of the hoses.
http://www.ganjagurus.com/junglegeorge/def/4assemble.jpg
After 1 further hour of leak testing i mounted the hard drives, card and cables.
http://www.ganjagurus.com/junglegeorge/def/5assemble.jpg
And here she is in all her glory
http://www.ganjagurus.com/junglegeorge/def/running.jpg
AFTER
This is with an ambient room temp of 28c running winamp (pinkfloyd - shine on u crazy diamond) 8 explorer windows open, irc, voice chat, yahoo messenger, NAV, FTP software and a few copies of Windows Explorer.
http://www.ganjagurus.com/junglegeorge/def/newtemp.jpg
Under full load using doom 3 or 3dmark05 the temp does not exceed 56c now .. gotta say this swiftech cooling system is far better than the ThermalTake Heat Pipe Tower 102 with 2 x 92mm fans
bluegreenshxt
12-03-04, 07:14 AM
nice...except too bad your ambient temps are so bad :p...
Assimilator87
12-08-04, 08:04 PM
the add on 120mm bracket w/radiator definitely looks promising. i was thinking about getting that myself since with my crazy 135watts OC i kinda have to turn up the fans sometimes. the only down side is that add-on is about $88. but definintely get it if money is not an big issue.
Holy crap :eek: How is your CPU outputing 135W when my CPU is only about 100Mhz slower @ 1.97v and according to PC Wizard 2004, outputing 72W?
I have actually used a smoke machine to follow the airflow within the case. (thx to me buddy who has a mobile disco) The results from this were rather good. The case temp is no more than between 1c to 4c above room temp - average about 1.5c.
That's an excellent idea. I wish I had a smoke machine :(
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