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ok you put something together for me under $300 + shipping. system it'll be cooling is as follows.
CPU: AMD64 3700+(CH)
GPU: 6800GT
CASE: CM Stacker
the system has to have no temp hold back for overclocking and be quiet. the more i read the more i get confused as to what i want to get. although purchase time is a month or so(more or less) away i'm feeling like i won't possitively know what i want to get. i don't want to make a mistake. I may say to hell with it and go with the Swiftech H20-Apex( about $260) but if i can build a better setup for around the same price then i'll shoot that way.
Owh crap, i'm going to be flamed for recommending you the "Enemy Of The State" product, Thermaltake, but here it goes:
Thermaltake Bigwater (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835106063) = US$162.99
- water pump, 5' drive bays reservoir with water level indicator, CPU block, 120MM radiator
THERMALTAKE CL-W0038 Copper VGA Block (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835106059) - US$28.99
- Copper VGA waterblock for yer 6800GT!
Total = US$191.98
Danger Den's Black Ice XtremeIII Radiator (http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=4&cat=5&bestseller) - US$77.99
- Triple 120MM radiator, that cant be wrong :D
Total = US$269.97
Personally i'd go this route, enormous saving, plus you'd get 1X120MM Radiator and triple 120MM radiator!
As usual, feel free to click the link and check the prices yourself :D
And yeah, since your budget is US$300, add this Danger Den Dual 5 1/4" Bay Reservoir (http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=53&cat=27&page=1)
- US$31.95
New Total = US$301.92
Since you have CM stacker, you'd have a lot of 5" inch bay to come by, better put it to good use!!!
Redefining the meaning of overkill..................... :D
zef, checking out the big water in reviews it doesn't do well compared to the Swiftech considering temps. a guy over at xtremesystems get's 40C on his o/c setup with SLI cards in front of the cpu in the loop. the review i read on the big water with just cpu was ~46C(can't remember exactly). start adding in the gpu and things only get warmer. gotta pass on that one but thanks for the suggestion.
Hey Zefram! what are your temps with the Thermaltake Bigwater?
well..... as much as i love my new setup, i guess it's out of the question. it's just too expensive.
but i'd go with Danger Den AND Swiftech. i am just personally not a big fan of swiftech's resevoir. it leaked on me because i screwed it a little too tight. and i mean a little. and it didn't even come with any sealant, you have to go out and buy taflon tape yourself.
i say you should just get Danger Den's radiator and resevoir and Swiftech's pump and block. actualy on second thought, get Koolance's block, :D at least according to the last review i sent you, it's slightly better than the swiftech one. that way you should come out to be just under $300.
Avid6eek
09-18-05, 08:52 PM
I'm all for Danger Den 100%. I think they have great components, and are always top performers.
If you want this system to be quiet, get a large radiator. They allow you to run fans at lower rpms and still get very good cooling. The Black Ice Extreme III is a very large rad, and isn't much more expensive than its smaller counterparts.
zef, checking out the big water in reviews it doesn't do well compared to the Swiftech considering temps. a guy over at xtremesystems get's 40C on his o/c setup with SLI cards in front of the cpu in the loop. the review i read on the big water with just cpu was ~46C(can't remember exactly). start adding in the gpu and things only get warmer. gotta pass on that one but thanks for the suggestion.
With those Danger Den's Radiator, i am sure the temps wont be that high!
Bigwater weakness is the radiator, i noticed this when i put the fan to low, the temps get quite high, but when i put the fan on max speed, the temps drops considerably!
I think with more radiator, the thermal dissipation capability of bigwater will increase!
But well, thermaltake have a bad reputation anyway :p
[QUOTE=Hey Zefram! what are your temps with the Thermaltake Bigwater?[/QUOTE]
AMD64 3200+ Overclocked to 2.5Ghz @ 1.5V core with ATi Radeon 9800XT - The temps hovers at 48-50 degrees celcius at load with low fan speed setting.
With high fan speed setting, the temps drop to around 40-42 degrees, but you wont want a jet turbine inside your bedroom :D
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2078/untitled12te.jpg
Temps with normal usage - and remember, i'm staying in SE Asia, sunlight all year and room temps hover around 32-37 degrees!!!!
Basically, if you want to play around with cheap watercooling system, nothing can beat bigwater - mark my word for it :D
seriously considering this setup here if i can afford it at the time:
CPU Block: Swiftech Storm (http://www.swiftnets.com/) $79.95
GPU Block: DD Maze4 (http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=150&cat=48&page=1) $44.95
Radiator: Black Ice Xtreme III (http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=4&cat=72&page=1) $77.99
Res: DD Dual 5 1/4 (http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=53&cat=27&page=1) $31.95
Pump: DD-D5 12v (http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=175&cat=4&page=1) $74.95
RadBox: Swiftech (http://www.swiftnets.com/)(to mount on the rear of the case till i get materials and balls to mod the case for internal mounting.) $15.00
Tubing: Tygon 10ft. (http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=172&cat=33&page=1) $23.80
Ram Sinks: OCZ Copper (8) (http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=122&cat=57&page=1) $20.00
Total: ~$370.00
if i'm forgetting anything please let me know. i think this is the best setup without going for any custom or limited release parts i can go for.
Total: ~$370.00
That is 70 bucks more than you originally planned :p
Anyway, you should get a reservoir, it helps to reduce the temps, and yeah, if can get those aluminium reservoir!
Heh, and get those UV-reactive coolant........... you'll be admiring the inside of your casing when you've done installing the watercooling!
Avid6eek
09-19-05, 09:17 AM
An aluminum res. would be no good. You can't mix metals in a water cooling system. Copper all the way.
You CAN mix metals in a watercooling system, quite easily. Just like you CAN puncture the pipes over your graphics card. Its just extremely stupid to, and results in hardware death. :p
yeah mixing metals causes problems everywhere i've been reading. i can shave off $30 if i go with a t-line instead of a res. takes a hell of alot longer to bleed the system and make sure there's no air left but it's supposed to perform slightly better and it'll save me space inside the case. ie. less blockage of fresh air. so total would be ~$340. this is looking better.
are you talking about those fill and bleed T-line kit from swiftech?
DO NOT!!.. i repeat DO NOT get those. theyr'e the worst. no matter what you do, you'll never get all the bubbles out of the system. and every once in a while, the bubbles gets worse that you'll have to refill the system again. and refilling the system with that thing is like moving a mountain, takes a lot of effort to disconnect the tubes and reconnect the tubes. i used to hurt myself everytime doing it. DO NOT GET THOSE. use a resevoir.
the list you have above looks very good. stick with it.
i forgot to add fans so for some good quite fans that move good air i'm looking at another $45 so that puts me back up to $385 if i do the T-line and $415 if i keep the res. this is starting to look prohibitive. once again i'm looking at going with the swiftech kit:( i just can't make up my damn mind! i have to have this all figured out in about 3 weeks or so. less time than it sounds. if i build i need to plan out how it's going into the case, if i go kit i need to find someone who actually has some in stock(everywhere is sold out right now for the H20-Apex).
if you buy most of the stuff from newegg, you can pay them 90 days later with no interest before that. that's also a good option. i know they sell swiftech watercooling parts.
gokusimpson
10-04-05, 11:06 PM
You mean this one?
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-wat-76.html
they have 4 in stock.
PimpMySystem
11-03-05, 05:14 AM
reservoir: Cape-Corp CapeAGB2 Copper example:http://www.bytesatwork.be/shop/product.php?productid=20357&cat=461&page=1
radiator: HW Labs Alphacool NexXxos Xtreme III
example:http://www.bytesatwork.be/shop/product.php?productid=20600&cat=408&page=1
pump: any good one
chipset block: the one of coolermaster
cpu: coolermaster aqua trident
gpu block: nvidia coolermaster one
translurent tubing
water with everithing nessecary
this is wat i would take
1337NuB5!
11-03-05, 10:16 AM
quick question- I also want to go with water cooling on my Intel chip, and since my case has a window(if I even keep the side panel on) I was looking at that UV reactive dye, but I have heard from many different sources that using the dye can F*** your blocks up and sometimes erode your tubing? All of those sites reccomended that you should go with UV reactive tubing instead of the add-in coloring, anyone have any experiences with that?
PimpMySystem
11-04-05, 03:14 AM
quick question- I also want to go with water cooling on my Intel chip, and since my case has a window(if I even keep the side panel on) I was looking at that UV reactive dye, but I have heard from many different sources that using the dye can F*** your blocks up and sometimes erode your tubing? All of those sites reccomended that you should go with UV reactive tubing instead of the add-in coloring, anyone have any experiences with that?
no but reactive and uv in one sentence says enough for me tho :D defintly not
try it looks like its only bad thing what would be possitive about it ??? and if their are good things about it, think about it if its actually worth it :cool:
sorry for bad english
there are uv reactive tubings available. go to www.dangerden.com to check out some. that way you don't have to introduce any contaminants to the fluid. if you add anything to the distilled water it no longer is pure distilled water and you run a risk of algae growing in your system. not good.
in truth pure distilled water is non conductive so you could actually spray it on your electronics with no harm. real distilled water is not sold many places.
PimpMySystem
11-08-05, 02:42 PM
just buy it from your teacher biology or chemical thing i cant translate we say chemie say
it 20x in correct dutch or belgium accent and you win a price :D (just joking) but you could defenetly ask him/her where he/she gets it or buy it from him/her :D
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